ProofMan wrote on Apr 6th, 2011 at 3:31am:Then I will wait for your next response until tomorrow.
What I meant by that statement is purely that if you design something that is meant to be so highly intricate, surely you would design it to a level that would ensure it does not degrade, or in this instance, de-evolve.
You say random mutations do not exist, what if we take out the "random" ?
Bear with me I am going somewhere with this:
A child always inherits from its parents, True?
Does a child always inherit from just ONE of its parents? No?
Then surely the combination of different aspects of each parent culminate to produce the child?
(Yes I know this is all basic stuff at the moment but why be overcomplicated when simplicity is the key?)
So Parent1 never had letters (as an example) RTY in their DNA, but Parent2 did, but never had QWE.
Then by them coming together, one of the finite possibilities is for their child to contain letters QTE, or RWE or any other combination from them.
This change in their DNA which would differ slightly from either parent and therefore would be unique and with those new attributes.
As their family tree descends their DNA contains more and more variation and therefore different or even new characteristics based on the more diverse information in their DNA.
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I like your questions. It has some "loaded" ideas in it. So I have to be long in my answer.
The idea of designing in the ability of the "creation" to destroy itself is where you get stuck. It is just the way it is if we don't follow the rules that support life and health.
We are our own worst genomic enemies. This is because of our ignorance. Putting us in this world and then letting us believe in all sorts of crap is how the creation is. Part of the creation is this principle of "delusion". The delusion also called the "knowledge of good and evil" which means a deeply held belief in good and evil is the original sin.
Opinions and judgments are bad and are based on this level of ignorance caused by this sin of "belief in good and evil".
Humans love to vilify make factions, created differences, and kill one another in the name of good and in the name of evil.
It is a common belief of atheists that this religious God is a screwed up entity that designed a pile of confusion and entropy. That God is hateful, racist, antagonistic, and basically evil because he hates queers, murderers,liars, thieves, manipulators, the greedy and people who have orphan children with no father nor/and/or no mother. This is a common belief.
It is well known from genetics that humans are part male and part female all of us. Some have more male than others some have more female than others. However, if we want a proper level of instinctual balance energy of the male and female in children (if you want sane, kind, intelligent and loving children, who create kind and loving grandchildren etc.), they need a good mother and a good father to represent those two archetypes (ideally, in perfect balance and in harmony) of the human psyche (soul).
Without a good kind protective and responsible father, a child is screwed up. With out a nurturing caring, nesting, feeding mother, a child is screwed up. Without either, you have either an "insane" saint who rejects the world or someone who is totally lost and lives in hell with a short life. Someone who can never figure it out, because everywhere they go they seemingly mess up their life. Blame everyone on all their problems, etc. ( I like using extremes to make my points, but lately the extremes are all over the place gunning down people in schools and strapping on bombs,etc.)
The nature of the individual on the inside can never be totally understood, because some people who have made it to objective total sanity, came from really evil parents. The evil parents can be or were the catalyst for self realization.
So, it was the idea of good and evil which are both constructions of (fantasy) the human psyche based on fear, emotion, and needs that screw us up. It is concepts of good and evil that control us. We all want the good in life, but one person's good is another's evil. In reality neither exist.
But we were given rules to live by to protect the children and our genome, but we have disregarded most of them. Until now, the last ten years, we really had no knowledge of the human genome, and no reason to follow rules of conduct out of information.
We eat bad, we live by technology that weakens us, we radiate our bodies constantly, we only seem to want money and power, because we are weak and stupid. We moved away from the perfect environment and foods and from following rules that protect society and make it strong.
Do you think that cultivating new strains of bacteria that eat human flesh is a good thing? When you inject semen in a highly populated bacteria colony, it learns to eat semen. Duh? When you feed bacteria nylon it learns to eat that as well. I prefer the nylon eating type to the type that likes to eat human flesh.
When you teach bacteria to eat anything it will do it. It rapidly adapts to the food you feed it.
The downfall of human is ignorance, compulsions and being like animals. If we ever want to get beyond being compulsive driven animals who live in constant fear, we need to move in the opposite direction.
The idea of being tolerant of things that are destroying our species out of compassion for the afflicted with this "natural" condition is a social sickness clear as can be. We now encourage life and total species annihilation by this form of "good" and tolerance. If we don't tolerate people with guns, bombs, race hate, then why do we tolerate the species killers amongst us.
A good breeding ground for new strains of weapons of mass destruction to the human species is in sexual contacts that are not safe at all, that cause new breeds of bacteria, virus, and fungus.
The vagina is cleaner than the mouth. It has natural disinfectants to keep it clean. It is not normally a breeding ground for new strains of virus nor bacteria. But when it is used improperly, abused during the reproductive years, it gives rise to all sorts of weapons of mass destruction.
If you want to make all sorts of new virus that are a major cause of mutations in the womb and in the gene level of the DNA, then don't follow rules of hygiene. Rules of conduct that protect our species.
Developing new drugs to fight off virus and bacteria simply make new virus and bacteria continue to develop. Stopping the process that makes new microorganisms that kill us and destroy our genome is a better idea.
Pretty soon we will have pandemics, and many forms of bacteria that eat humans that cannot be stopped with any antibiotics nor any form of immunization. We see that now with AIDs and people who die in hospitals with flesh eating bacteria that does not respond to antibiotics. So, we make new drugs, and those drugs also contribute to the genetic degradation.
When you realize that the rules of conduct, and what we were supposed to do to preserve our genome have been disregarded and we have worked around this with some medications, and now we are causing cancer because of this utter ignorance and inability to follow the instructions from the designer(s). These instructions are in every culture and they never had any clue about micro biology or the way the human genome is made, at the time these rules were handed out. Some of these rules are over 6,000 years old.
How does that song go. "Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing."
Science and medicines are money makers, and they will do all that is necessary to make money and preserve their lifestyle. And besides disease is good business. More disease, means more suffering. More suffering is insurance of more money for the big businesses.
Humans are pretty self destructive by nature. We have to fight against our nature and are desire to accept and nurture that which is destroying us. We relish self destruction.
If we gave our genomes half a chance they have enough information to heal themselves. It may take 10 generations to get some healing. There are redundancies we have not even begun to tap into.
We just prefer to live and let others kill off our genomes and make our descendants suffer with disease short lives and no brains with no way back.
Just look at the Chimps, Gorilla, Orangutans, and the Macaque monkeys, all come from the same genetic lineage as us. Look what happened to them from ignorance, compulsions and no direction on how to live safe.
They had no prophets, no direction and were left all alone in tribes with little or no connection to any knowledge. I think they are here as examples for us to wake up from.
Now as far as mutations that are natural, they are not mutations. They are genetic information passed from the parents to the offspring.
This idea of magical random mutations taking place between generations is just that magical card being pulled out of the asses of "scientists" who have no balls to go and see where they came from, because it would stop their grants if they broke ranks and did a study to see that they are repeat DNA patterns from many generations back.
The only place where real mutations can take place is in the womb by drugs, radiation or any toxins that harm the fetus.
These are what you call random, but are really just caused by bad living and not following the rules to protect the children.
When you analyze all the rules of conduct, it is only about preserving the genome and protecting the children. Nothing more.
I think that we also have the ability to fix this, when the knowledge is "handed" to us.
It is the nature of the human to remain as human to be in delusion. To have the world envelope you and own your consciousness. If you are tired of being a pawn of other ignorant people's religious ideologies, then get free of them.
Yogis teach "Jnanham Bandaha" which means worldly knowledge is bondage.
Knowledge of the real God is liberation. The real God = Truth and that is what a seeker only wants. The truth is inherent in every person once they realize how screwed up any other "seeking" is. If you are not seeking the truth then you are only seeking to perpetuate your's and other people's human emotional mental garbage.
The true purpose of life is to get free of this delusion, by removing one delusion at a time. Or if you are ambitious, remove many at a time. But that is very painful.
There is only genetic information passed from generation to the next, and there is disease caused by toxins.
Mutations are nearly ALWAYS bad.
Mutations in microorganisms will kill us off and destroy our DNA cell replication as they attack our DNA and enter into our already defective genomes.
There has been only ONE Mutation in the human species that has shown any evidence of trying to help us overcome bad living. It is a mutation noted in the orient of a gene that helps to process bad hydrogenated oils that cause severe clogged arteries and heart disease. They really don't know where it came from?
When they have no clue where a DNA pattern comes from, they say it is a random mutation and it is good. If only one in 70 is good, then we are destroying our genome by "natural selection".
They, scientists, want to be the messengers of hope for mankind (represent the god of science), the saviors of mankind, (that there are "magical mutations" fixing our genomes) but the truth is the opposite. They are contributing to the problem "innocently" out of ignorance.
Ignorance of the rules of how humans are made is not an excuse. Belief in magical processes and mystical causes has always been destructive to humans. It is no different now with this belief in "magical evolutionary mutations" that cause us to get better.
I love your questions. I hope you are sincere.
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