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Title: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 2:59pm

1/ Absolute evidence exists all the time.

2/ People are taught how to think and learn.

3/ They are taught out of "seeing" with objective vision.

4/ Objective vision is contained in every human at birth.

5/ Environment and events in society take away this ability to "see" what is obvious and real.

6/ If you want to indoctrinate fully, teach people that science does not need any truth in it. That you do not need any physical evidence or even any good evidence in order to believe.

7/ Teach children in "science classes" that empirical evidence is not needed for belief, that "theory" is the highest truth that can be found in 'science'.

8/ If you want to get free of this crap, then you need to learn to "see" again and realize what absolute evidence is.

10/ Absolute evidence is obvious, clear, needs no interpretation by any screwed up believer, it stand on its own and does not require indoctrination to understand it.

Examples:

1/Turn on a light in your house. It goes on and operates the same trillions of times across the entire planet and is observed by billions of people to be true.
This is absolute evidence of the science of electricity and light bulbs. It is "obvious and irrefutable".

2/ Two atomic bombs were let off over Japan, killing and maiming many hundreds of thousands of people. This "experiment" was successful at proving beyoind alldoubts the destructive power contained in atoms. Obvious and irrefutable.

3/ Take a match and hold it to the bottom of your bare foot for at least a minute. You will notice that you have second and third degree burns from it. This is obvious and irrefutable evidence of what happens when you burn human skin.

4/ Take anything in your house and drop it on the floor. Obvious and irrefutable evidence of the law of gravity. It has always been a law of science and is used in physics all the time and never changes its operation here on earth.

5/ Mass and momentum are laws of physics. Using mass and momentum calculation you can determine the impact in foot pounds per square inch of any matter when propelled into another matter. This is obvious and irrefutable.

6/ Take a magnet and pass it across a wire with an electric meter on the ends of the wire and you will see voltage induced by the magnet. This is obvious and irrefutable.

Now you start making your list. If you don't know what real evidence is from this list, then you need to contemplate it over and over, until it becomes obvious to you and you start to get back your ability to understand what truth is.

In Evodelusionism they use images and fantasy to build on.the Evodelusionist, is allowed determine what a fossil is.
Only Evodelusionists are allowed to do this, by the way. That means they are using brainwashed, pseudo scientists to make up the "tree of life" to fit the damn belief.
This is obvious and irrefutable. Even the name "tree of life" has mythological and religious connotations. I mean for crying out loud the f**king "tree of life"!??. How can you be so stupid as to miss that religious ICON in this crap pseudo science. ::)

Their data is all messed up and full of contradictions for a reason. The reason is it has no basis in science at all. It is not even close to the definition of science, because the scientific method is never used. You cannot test a friggin religion. There is no "obvious and irrefutable" in it, because it is not science, but is a religion a mythical pagan religion that started many thousands of years ago.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by glowingape on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 5:42pm

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 2:59pm:

1/ Absolute evidence exists all the time.

Fail.
No such thing as "absolute" anywhere outside math.

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2/ People are taught how to think and learn.

Fail.
Natural curiosity and rational reasoning cannot be thought. We might be "taught" into believing things like God or fairies or the blue elf that's hiding down the pants or a boogieman or a Santa Claus, but the rational and reasonable approach (most of us, I don't know about you) are taking is to analyze situation and realize, that the beings stated are non-existent.

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3/ They are taught out of "seeing" with objective vision.

Like you're seeing God and / or religion. Check.

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4/ Objective vision is contained in every human at birth.

Fail.
First; There's no such thing as "Objective vision", and the second, out neurons are quite underdeveloped to understand the world as the adult see it.

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5/ Environment and events in society take away this ability to "see" what is obvious and real.

And w... Wait... What does this got to do with science?

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6/ If you want to indoctrinate fully, teach people that science does not need any truth in it.

Eh?

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7/ Teach children in "science classes" that empirical evidence is not needed for belief, that "theory" is the highest truth that can be found in 'science'.

...The hell...? You never really bothered to even google up what science actually is, have you? And it's so so good, that the people, that paid attention in "science classes" made global communication possible, or anti-viral vaccines. Those bastards, that accepted what they could observe, test and retest.

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8/ If you want to get free of this crap, then you need to learn to "see" again and realize what absolute evidence is.

Yes! Let's forget the stupid junk, that they teach in school and let's proceed with making jung up. Like rewriting the dictionary, because the current dictionary has no idea, what the words actually mean. And we should hire as much of school dropouts as possible to fix it!

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10/ Absolute evidence is obvious, clear, needs no interpretation by any screwed up believer, it stand on its own and does not require indoctrination to understand it.

Fail, fail, fail and fail.
How many times do you need to be told, that science doesn't deal with absolutes?

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Are all garbage.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 8:18pm

glowingape wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 5:42pm:

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 2:59pm:

1/ Absolute evidence exists all the time.

Fail.
No such thing as "absolute" anywhere outside math.

you mean someone taught you out of seeking to find real evidence.

Absolute evidence is all about and around you.

glowingape wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 5:42pm:

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 2:59pm:

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2/ People are taught how to think and learn.

You have been taught out of objective awareness. It is time for you to get it back.

glowingape wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 5:42pm:

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 2:59pm:

[quote]3/ They are taught out of "seeing" with objective vision.

Like you're seeing God and / or religion. Check.

[quote]4/ Objective vision is contained in every human at birth.

Fail.
First; There's no such thing as "Objective vision", and the second, out neurons are quite underdeveloped to understand the world as the adult see it.

[quote]5/ Environment and events in society take away this ability to "see" what is obvious and real.

And w... Wait... What does this got to do with science?

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6/ If you want to indoctrinate fully, teach people that science does not need any truth in it.

Eh?

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7/ Teach children in "science classes" that empirical evidence is not needed for belief, that "theory" is the highest truth that can be found in 'science'.

8/ If you want to get free of this crap, then you need to learn to "see" again and realize what absolute evidence is.

10/ Absolute evidence is obvious, clear, needs no interpretation by any screwed up believer, it stand on its own and does not require indoctrination to understand it.

Fail, fail, fail and fail.
How many times do you need to be told, that science doesn't deal with absolutes?

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Are all garbage.[/quote]

It is sad to find people who have been trough the "puppy mill" of delusion and think they are on the side of "right".

You are lost in delusional bovine garbage and you actually think you are smart. It is impossible to get a PHD from any university today and not be indoctrinated in this fantasy bovine garbage. This is why I only took courses in engineering math and physics, because when I took courses in biology, I could not stand the bovine garbage and utter logical fallacies in biology. I would never allow myself to get a degree in bovine garbage for any reason. The crap these people believe is beyond my ability to absorb bovine garbage.

It is possible to learn all that mankind has to offer and not believe any of it. But I am not a phony. I have a fondness for truth.

The process of finding the truth is hard. Most people are lazy and take the easy bovine garbage way. It is far easier to accept the bovine garbage and get your degree. Then you can be a run of the mill moron believer.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by glowingape on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 3:51am

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 8:18pm:

glowingape wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 5:42pm:

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 2:59pm:

1/ Absolute evidence exists all the time.

Fail.
No such thing as "absolute" anywhere outside math.

you mean someone taught you out of seeking to find real evidence.

Absolute evidence is all about and around you.

Ok. Where is it?

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glowingape wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 5:42pm:

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 2:59pm:

[quote]2/ People are taught how to think and learn.

You have been taught out of objective awareness. It is time for you to get it back.

Fail. read the statement above.

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glowingape wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 5:42pm:

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 2:59pm:

[quote]3/ They are taught out of "seeing" with objective vision.

Like you're seeing God and / or religion. Check.

[quote]4/ Objective vision is contained in every human at birth.

And w... Wait... What does this got to do with science?

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6/ If you want to indoctrinate fully, teach people that science does not need any truth in it.

Eh?

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7/ Teach children in "science classes" that empirical evidence is not needed for belief, that "theory" is the highest truth that can be found in 'science'.

8/ If you want to get free of this crap, then you need to learn to "see" again and realize what absolute evidence is.

10/ Absolute evidence is obvious, clear, needs no interpretation by any screwed up believer, it stand on its own and does not require indoctrination to understand it.

Fail, fail, fail and fail.
How many times do you need to be told, that science doesn't deal with absolutes?

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Are all garbage.[/quote][/quote][/quote]It is sad to find people who have been trough the "puppy mill" of delusion and think they are on the side of "right".[/quote]
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Diamond are no longer carbon, they are diamonds. Moron!

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Photosynthesis is a carbon digesting process.

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You are lost in delusional bovine feculence and you actually think you are smart.

Read the statements above, both conceived from your "knowledge" (or the lack of it)

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This is why I only took courses in engineering math and physics

Which you've shown, that you're completely clueless about

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because when I took courses in biology, I could not stand the bovine feculence and utter logical fallacies in biology.

And you keep repeating that because it's true. Or because you've never bothered to read anything about biology in general, and you're showing and re-showing it again and again. One of the things, that show your complete ignorance of any kind of science (including physics, which you're so eager to um... "embrace") is, that you just mix random things in the pool of evolution. Like quantum physics, completely unrelated biochemical processes, which you're completely clueless about (such as photosynthesis) and spoken or written language. None of those have anything to do with biological evolution.

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I would never allow myself to get a degree in bovine feculence for any reason.

You've just quoted your video. And for that matter; Neither would I. That's why I go with science.

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The crap these people believe is beyond my ability to absorb bovine feculence.

Ah, so you have no other excuses for your stupidity other than just being stupid.

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It is possible to learn all that mankind has to offer and not believe any of it. But I am not a phony. I have a fondness for truth.

You mean you HAVE something to show us asides the bitching and whining and everything else you've managed to spout by now? Something of proper scientific value? Can you shouw us something like that?

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The process of finding the truth is hard. Most people are lazy and take the easy bovine feculence way. It is far easier to accept the bovine feculence and get your degree. Then you can be a run of the mill moron believer.

Yep. You are stupid. There is nothing else here. One of the reasons, why you don't bother with actually reading about... anything is that "I never bothered with the school, but my 13 (or what?) years of yoga make it up instead."
Nice to know, that b u l l s h i t is now a good replacement for learning stuff from the people who actually study the stuff. Does that mean, that by taking a shamanic workshop makes me a certified biochemist, lawyer and designer of processors?

By your logic, that MUST be true. I just wonder, why I just can't get a job in any of those areas?

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 4:40am

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 8:18pm:

It is possible to learn all that mankind has to offer and not believe any of it. But I am not a phony. I have a fondness for truth.

You have a fondness for making stuff up, sure. You wouldn't recognise truth if it punched you in the face before attempting to buy a washed out refurbished spa from you.

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You quite obviously have never, ever experienced graduate level schooling.

You remind me of David Icke, you know. So certain in his revelation that everything else is a conspiracy. Actually, at least he backs up his arguments after doing research. I get the impression you look at a paper, get confused and misdirect the anger from your own ignorance into lambasting something you really have no hope of understanding.

People have tried, time and time again to show you the error of your ways, posted links to data and tried to rationally discuss pros and cons with you, but you don't know how to debate, because you don't understand how it works.
Howling derision (inappropriately) is not debate.
Haranguing is not debate.
Ignoring things you don't want to answer is not debate.
Repetition of catchphrases is not debate.
Disregarding anything that disputes your points regardless of its coherence or clarity is not debate.

You, sir, are afraid. Afraid that the moment you unleashed your ideas to the world was the worst thing you could've done and are backed up against the wall while the tiger eyes you up.
You have been shown to repeatedly not only misunderstand the science under discussion, but worse, to completely and totally fail to grasp the English language, (which I presume is your native one) rendering everything you say suspect.
If you STILL can't understand the definition of mutation or theory or something as simple as God, how can we trust that you understand anything you spout?

Add to this the fact that you've supposedly studied Evolution for 40 years, most if not all of those thinking it was a pile of s h i t, right? If it's a pile of bile, why bother with such a substantive effort?
Cui bono?
Is it because you desire a large e-p e n i s? Don't like being in your 60's and still insignificant? You have my pity.

Finally, why are you filtering out the word p e n i s? Sort it out, mate. It's a perfectly valid scientific word...

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by metha on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 6:34am

GoodScienceForYou? I am a little bit disappointed, I have to admit that. I thought we shared something in common regarding evolution theory, but I am quite frankly a little confused at the moment.

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 2:59pm:

1/ Absolute evidence exists all the time.

No, GoodScienceForYou. I thought you were into physics, and you should know that this is not true.

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5/ Environment and events in society take away this ability to "see" what is obvious and real.

But this makes no sense, GoodScienceForYou, because the environment and events in societies are real things. They happen. They are.

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7/ Teach children in "science classes" that empirical evidence is not needed for belief, that "theory" is the highest truth that can be found in 'science'.

But science rests on empirical evidence. But that is not absolute proof. Theory IS the highest truth in science. Number Theory has been proven. Relativity Theory has empirical evidence. You say you are a scientist into physics? This really disappoints me, because I thought you knew better.

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10/ Absolute evidence is obvious, clear, needs no interpretation by any screwed up believer, it stand on its own and does not require indoctrination to understand it.

Absolute evidence needs no interpretation, I agree. But absolute evidence (proof) can be VERY difficult to understand. If you're into mathematics, then you have probably seen Wiles proof. Explain to me the basic idea in that proof and then tell me it isn't difficult to understand. My IQ is above 196 (was tested in Switzerland twice), and Wiles proof is still a huge challenge.

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1/Turn on a light in your house. It goes on and operates the same trillions of times across the entire planet and is observed by billions of people to be true.
This is absolute evidence of the science of electricity and light bulbs. It is "obvious and irrefutable".

This isn't proof of anything. You of all should have realized that. This isn't proof of Ampère's Circuital Law. Of course it isn't! We used electricity long before we knew what it was. If this is your idea of absolute evidence, then Evolution is indeed true. But you and I are still not convinced about Evolution Theory.

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2/ Two atomic bombs were let off over Japan, killing and maiming many hundreds of thousands of people. This "experiment" was successful at proving beyoind alldoubts the destructive power contained in atoms. Obvious and irrefutable.

But that is not evidence of e=mc². The theory doesn't say "atoms have destructive power". That is not a scientific statement.

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3/ Take a match and hold it to the bottom of your bare foot for at least a minute. You will notice that you have second and third degree burns from it. This is obvious and irrefutable evidence of what happens when you burn human skin.

Again; that is not a scientific statement!

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4/ Take anything in your house and drop it on the floor. Obvious and irrefutable evidence of the law of gravity. It has always been a law of science and is used in physics all the time and never changes its operation here on earth.

NO! Please listen, and stop disappointing me, because it makes me think if I got the theory of evolution all wrong. This is NOT a proof of the theory of gravity at all. The theory doesn't state that "things fall down". This is NOT proof that the force F is m*9.81... That is what the theory says. Furthermore, Newton was not quite correct and a new and better theory came with Einstein. Newton had evidence that his equations were correct, but they still needed to be adjusted.

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5/ Mass and momentum are laws of physics. Using mass and momentum calculation you can determine the impact in foot pounds per square inch of any matter when propelled into another matter. This is obvious and irrefutable.

Matter and momentum are NOT laws of physics. Equations involving mass and momentum are. Yes, you can perform tests and measure results. But they are NOT proofs, they are tests for which results can be off by some predictable error. Hence they are not proofs, but empirical evidence.

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6/ Take a magnet and pass it across a wire with an electric meter on the ends of the wire and you will see voltage induced by the magnet. This is obvious and irrefutable.

This is as circular as it gets. Can you not see that? You want to prove some scientific laws using a voltage meter that uses the laws we want to prove??? :-?

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Now you start making your list. If you don't know what real evidence is from this list, then you need to contemplate it over and over, until it becomes obvious to you and you start to get back your ability to understand what truth is.

Nothing in the list is absolute evidence or proof. It is not even evidence. They don't even contain any scientific statements.

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In Evodelusionism they use images and fantasy to build on.the Evodelusionist, is allowed determine what a fossil is.
Only Evodelusionists are allowed to do this, by the way. That means they are using brainwashed, pseudo scientists to make up the "tree of life" to fit the damn belief.

My take on evolution is that they do not have enough evidence, and that information theory is not properly considered. You are not attacking the right aspects of Evolution. There are better arguments than these.

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You cannot test a friggin religion. There is no "obvious and irrefutable" in it, because it is not science, but is a religion a mythical pagan religion that started many thousands of years ago.

Yes you can test religions and evolution. You can test ALL statements within the universe.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 12:12pm

metha wrote on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 6:34am:

1/ Absolute evidence exists all the time.

No, GoodScienceForYou. I thought you were into physics, and you should know that this is not true.

These photos are absolute evidence of atomic power and its effects on humans. This is just one example.

metha wrote on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 6:34am:

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5/ Environment and events in society take away this ability to "see" what is obvious and real.

But this makes no sense, GoodScienceForYou, because the environment and events in societies are real things. They happen. They are.

[quote]7/ Teach children in "science classes" that empirical evidence is not needed for belief, that "theory" is the highest truth that can be found in 'science'.

10/ Absolute evidence is obvious, clear, needs no interpretation by any screwed up believer, it stand on its own and does not require indoctrination to understand it.

But that is not evidence of e=mc². The theory doesn't say "atoms have destructive power". That is not a scientific statement.

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Again; that is not a scientific statement!

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6/ Take a magnet and pass it across a wire with an electric meter on the ends of the wire and you will see voltage induced by the magnet. This is obvious and irrefutable.

This is as circular as it gets. Can you not see that? You want to prove some scientific laws using a voltage meter that uses the laws we want to prove??? :-?

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Nothing in the list is absolute evidence or proof. It is not even evidence. They don't even contain any scientific statements.

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You cannot test a friggin religion. There is no "obvious and irrefutable" in it, because it is not science, but is a religion a mythical pagan religion that started many thousands of years ago.

Yes you can test religions and evolution. You can test ALL statements within the universe.

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You cannot test any mythological ideas from billions of years ago, without a time machine. You cannot go back in time and see how any creature got here or what they have been through. You cannot test evolution.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 12:21pm

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4/ Take anything in your house and drop it on the floor. Obvious and irrefutable evidence of the law of gravity. It has always been a law of science and is used in physics all the time and never changes its operation here on earth.

NO! Please listen, and stop disappointing me, because it makes me think if I got the theory of evolution all wrong. This is NOT a proof of the theory of gravity at all. The theory doesn't state that "things fall down". This is NOT proof that the force F is m*9.81... That is what the theory says. Furthermore, Newton was not quite correct and a new and better theory came with Einstein. Newton had evidence that his equations were correct, but they still needed to be adjusted. "

So, in your science dropping something on the floor and watching it hit the floor is not science? Has it ever failed to hit the floor in your lifetime on earth?

Theory is not the end of all "truth" in science, especially since Evodelusionists have bastardized the meaning.

Theory means anything but absolute truth. It is now reduced to the level of religious beliefs.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 1:26pm

If you want to analyze all of life is it nothing but your perceptions, based on what you believe to be real.

However, there exists certain scientific principles and facts that are as real as we can EVER get, those are absolute, obvious, and self evident.

Whatever the "theory of Evolution" is; it is not science.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 1:42pm

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! you still don't get it, FailScienceForEver.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by glowingape on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 2:44pm

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 12:21pm:

Theory means anything but absolute truth. It is now reduced to the level of religious beliefs.

For the people with IQ below 2:

From the Meriam-webster dictionary, link here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory

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Main Entry: the·o·ry
Pronunciation: \ˈthē-ə-rē, ˈthir-ē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural the·o·ries
Etymology: Late Latin theoria, from Greek theōria, from theōrein
Date: 1592

1 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2 : abstract thought : speculation
3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
4 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
5 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
6 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : conjecture c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>
synonyms see hypothesis

Since I know you'll complain about "It says conjectures and assumptions". However; The first definition within the dictionary is the most widely used.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Simianus on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 6:06pm

Well, hello.

Good sir science for you, you have repeatedly claimed to support the scientific method, but this is contradicted by frequent inductive reasoning owed to your need to cling on to the idea of absolute truth. The word "truth" might be bandied around carelessly by all of us, but the idea of absolute truth is in no way compatible with real science. Supporting what you see as "absolute truth" prevents you (or any of us) from objectively weighing evidence to the contrary or effectively challenging our notions and biases. This forces you to argue in circles, ie; where I see the debate going in this forum.

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However, there exists certain scientific principles and facts that are as real as we can EVER get, those are absolute, obvious, and self evident.

This statement contradicts itself. On the one hand, you've put a caveat on the reality of facts and principles, or that they can only be as real as "we can ever get." It sounds like you are admitting that we can't get any closer to the truth than our own perceptions? But if absolutes are truths independent of our perceptions, then getting "as close as we can ever get" to knowing them is still not real knowledge of absolute truth. If you can't claim to really understand absolutes, who is to say you can even recognise them when you see them?

Sure, the "facts" and probabilities that we encounter in life and science are as real to true as we can make them - but keep in mind we have finite puny little human brains and we'd certainly be god-like if we could truly understand absolutes in any fashion. Surely it would be blasphemous to assume one could really know anything like a perfect being, no?

For this to be a real debate, you've got to ditch the idea of absolutes, or the contradictions aren't going to get anyone anywhere.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 6:13pm

Simianus wrote on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 6:06pm:

However, there exists certain scientific principles and facts that are as real as we can EVER get, those are absolute, obvious, and self evident.

Very well put. I wish I had that eloquence.

+3

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 7:14pm

Simianus wrote on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 6:06pm:

However, there exists certain scientific principles and facts that are as real as we can EVER get, those are absolute, obvious, and self evident.

If you are not brainwashed it is the truth. I feel sorry for you that you believe the fantasy and can't get back your objective reason.

Every child is born with an innate seeking of truth.

It is my total understanding that this is removed by pressures all around to conform to human emotional mental garbage.

No one has the right to tell you what the truth is.

If you are not seeking the truth, then you are seeking to perpetuate your dumb ass beliefs. There are no "gray" areas in this.

If you understand that illogical bovine garbage is the norm, then you need to not ever believe anyone, ever.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Simianus on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 7:47pm

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 7:14pm:

Simianus wrote on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 6:06pm:

However, there exists certain scientific principles and facts that are as real as we can EVER get, those are absolute, obvious, and self evident.

If you are not brainwashed it is the truth. I feel sorry for you that you believe the fantasy and can't get back your objective reason.

Every child is born with an innate seeking of truth.

It is my total understanding that this is removed by pressures all around to conform to human emotional mental garbage.

No one has the right to tell you what the truth is.

If you are not seeking the truth, then you are seeking to perpetuate your dumb ass beliefs. There are no "gray" areas in this.

If you understand that illogical bovine feculence is the norm, then you need to not ever believe anyone, ever.

Sure, you can seek the truth, but acknowledge that you'll never attain it. If you think you've attained truth, your arrogance will always prevent you from seeking any more.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Volcano Girl on Dec 29^th, 2009 at 3:03am

Simianus wrote on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 7:47pm:

Sure, you can seek the truth, but acknowledge that you'll never attain it. If you think you've attained truth, your arrogance will always prevent you from seeking any more.

+5 for winning with style

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by metha on Dec 29^th, 2009 at 5:27am

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 1:26pm:

These photos are absolute evidence of atomic power and its effects on humans. This is just one example.

What? No! You cannot be serious. They are not proofs of anything. I understand now that you really have no idea what proof or evidence are. How can you prove that this destructive power is not the ether exploding, instead of atomic power? This is not scientific.

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 1:26pm:

You cannot test any mythological ideas from billions of years ago, without a time machine. You cannot go back in time and see how any creature got here or what they have been through. You cannot test evolution.

ALL statements can be tested. Anything that says anything about reality can be tested. Evolution can be tested, and I think that there exist tests that will fail.

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 28^th, 2009 at 1:26pm:

So, in your science dropping something on the floor and watching it hit the floor is not science? Has it ever failed to hit the floor in your lifetime on earth?

No that is not science. Measuring the acceleration, develop formulas to predict the velocity at a certain time IS science.

Quote:

Theory means anything but absolute truth. It is now reduced to the level of religious beliefs.

You putting a meaning to a word different from ALL other people's meaning of the word, doesn't give anything to the debate, and it destroys your own credibility. Evolution should not be a theory, simply because I think it will fail some tests. Relativity theory and theory of gravity and number theory are ALL theories that have passed every single test. Number theory has even been proven! It is still a theory: Collection of facts and explanations to them, and tools to make predictions.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by metha on Dec 29^th, 2009 at 5:38am

About gravity and watching a stone fall to the ground... Science take into account that the stone might not fall the next time we try. To PROVE that the stone will always fall, we have to record all events and possibilities. This is clearly impossible. It could be that ONE time the stone doesn't fall, and so hence the theory is wrong. That is all it takes to disprove the theory of gravity: ONE single example or event when the predictions fail. You have not watched every stone that fell to the ground, and all the stones that will fall to the ground in the future, so you cannot say that it always will. You also have to record the acceleration each time, because that is what real science make predictions about. You cannot prove it. BUT you can say it with VERY high certainty. That is what scientists mean when they say that we cannot talk about absolute proof in science, but only in mathematics.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by metha on Dec 29^th, 2009 at 5:39am

Now, since absolute proof exists, by your standards. Prove to me that F=ma.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Simianus on Dec 29^th, 2009 at 7:03pm

metha wrote on Dec 29^th, 2009 at 5:38am:

Exactly! A point worth repeating.

David Hume argued much the same point in his argument against causality. (Not meaning to come off as an arrogant arse here, I just think you've made a really important point.)

His argument amounts to this: despite what we think the outcome of any process will be, we can never really know, because it hasn't happened yet. Science can't call itself science and claim to divine the future. A science without humility is indistinguishable from religion.

He argued that the sun rised yesterday, the day before, and last week, so can we say it is a fact that the sun will rise tomorrow? Of course not, it hasn't happened. You cannot find with absolute certainty a cause in any effect because science isn't synonymous with fortune telling. You can only make an intelligent hypothesis as to why something has happened and test it's likelihood. Science is about what has already been observed, only making predictions as to what will probably happen again.

Falling into the trap of over-confidence by seeking absolute "truths" via science only preserves the medieval headspace that resulted in alchemy, astronomy and alchemy, and all kinds of superstition. Quite frankly, too many things have been disproven in the past, and modern science won't be embarassed like that again. It will espouse probabilities and "theories" but will never champion absolutes. Modern science is nothing but hypothesis, testing, theories, and probabilities. It is not witchcraft.

Volcanogirl and Prolescum, I wish I had a good blush icon, perhaps one that doesn't induce epileptic seizures. :D

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Simianus on Dec 29^th, 2009 at 7:07pm

I apologise for the typos, since I can't seem to correct them.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:34am

Here's some absolute evidence.

Of insanity.

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Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by glowingape on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:42am

prolescum wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:34am:

Here's some absolute evidence.

Throw me a PM on youtube. I'm the author of that video :]

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:58am

glowingape wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:42am:

prolescum wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:34am:

Here's some absolute evidence.

Throw me a PM on youtube. I'm the author of that video :]

Lollers!

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Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by glowingape on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 3:04am

Teh stupid! Eet burnz! D:

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Simianus on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 4:56am

Err... I'm trying not to be judgemental. I honestly would like to hear an explanation for that... It's a bit stunning, though.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by glowingape on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 6:03am

Simianus wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 4:56am:

Err... I'm trying not to be judgemental. I honestly would like to hear an explanation for that... It's a bit stunning, though.

The problem is, because it always boils down to "it's obvious" or "Are you really that stupid?" or "you were indoctrinated (or something)". It never comes down to explanation, let alone deal in someway with scientifically backed statements.

So far, we didn't get the acknoledgment, that he actually understands science at all.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Simianus on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 6:50am

Yeah. Debate does seem a bit futile at the moment.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 7:13am

There was never any debate. GSFY doesn't want to debate; he wants to proselytize. I'm pretty certain that he genuinely believes he's some kind of Guru, but misses the fundamental characteristics of teachers :

Patience
Knowledge
Understanding
Experience
Charm
or failing the above, idiots, some guns and a compound.

I'd be worried if there were people convinced by anything he's ever said here (or the myriad collection of sites he frequents), but seeing as it's so painfully easy to spot each and every mistake, contradiction and non-sequitur even the kids he swears at on Youtube can see 'em a mile off.

When I joined here, I hoped that I'd be able to discuss where he was coming from, what his arguments for evolution were, and what he proposed to replace it with because youtube isn't exactly conducive to serious discussion. Lol @ me.

As a humorous aside, I've attached GSFY's understanding of President Obama's 'socialized medicine' bill.
What's hilarious about this, is that GSFY has posted two videos on the subject, one a commercial, and one edited from the Michael Moore film Sicko (which he hadn't seen, given his comments on the video) taken out of context.

If we ever need an example of HEMG, check out GSFY's second hand (and ignorant) opinions on this topic. Lol.

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Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 7:15am

Er, arguments against evolution...

Sod it, GSFY makes enough mistakes.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by metha on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 8:00am

Well, under this thread he claims that there exist absolute evidence in natural science, and so I suggested that he give absolute proof that F=ma. You can all ask him a proof of this formula, and give the man a chance.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 8:49am

metha wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 8:00am:

I appreciate that, however, he's been online since then and hasn't answered it. Like I said somewhere or other, I came here, much like yourself, prepared to listen because of the non-conducive format of youtube. I was perhaps the first member, certainly the first OP besides GSFY. The problem lies in that two months later, he's yet to show any clarity of thought on any subject that has been put to him and I sincerely doubt if he can answer you without resorting to spamming his catchphrases and calling you an idiot for not seeing that you were lied to by every scientist with a degree.
I genuinely hope he has an answer for you, but first hand experience, as GSFY is fond of saying, is all that matters.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 1:31pm

metha wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 8:00am:

I have been busy with my business.

Force equals Mass times Acceleration.

In all cases this is true as long as you account for all the conditions in which this formula is used. You cannot take this out of the "conditions" and then say it is not true.

In conditions of even 1/4 the speed of light things start to change. However, if you put that in the formula for the speed at which you are making the science facts for this then it will always be 100% repeatable under those conditions. That is irrefutable and absolute evidence.

Just like when you force particles to hit purified uranium and it breaks the atomic structures into pure energy, is proven beyond all doubt.

If you are not aware that these are laws of physics that always work under the conditions at which they always work the same, then you have been trained out of reason and awareness of science laws.

When Neuton came up with his ideas, he had not allowed for conditions other than which he was testing. If he was alive today, I assure you that he would adjust these laws to fit alternative conditions in which they always work.

Just like the coin toss scientific experiment in which you can predict the results from the instant of the thumb lifting the coin. as long as you account for all the "effects" on the coin.

The human mind is not capable of understanding all the effects on a metal coin at one instant, so they find imperfections and account for that as "random", because of their feeble minds. When you can account for every possible energy, mass, momentum, force, and every subtle force on the experiment, including you standing there and having an effect on the experiment, then you will see what real science is. At any one instant, just in a car engine there are thousands of interactions taking place. Humans would call that random, if they could.

Simply because you do not understand absolutes and are just listening to other weak humans and believing them, is not going to help you to get beyond the limitations they inflict on your mind. The key to creative reason and objective thought is to stop putting human emotional mental garbage beliefs on reality.

You should never believe anyone and keep your mind only accepting things that have absolute evidence.

There is nothing wrong with entertaining thoughts, but if you believe them without ultimate and complete follow through, then you will be limiting your mind.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Simianus on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:26pm

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 1:31pm:

metha wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 8:00am:

You're missing the point. It is not an absolute only because it's a scientific law. How can it be when you've already put a caveat on its application? You will never be able to measure for yourself this formula working on every body in the universe at every possible time in history, so you cannot say with 100% certainty that it works 100% of the time. It's all conjecture.

Until you can successfully prove absolutely that absolute evidence exists, your starting premise will always be faulty and the argument circular. This is why most of the arguments here are not relying on that premise, and attacking their arguments by claiming absolutism exists is never going to get anyone anywhere.

And as to the rest, it seems to me that the only argument you'll accept is one that depends on some sort of claim of divine enlightenment, because evidently our foundation of knowledge is nothing more than brainwashing, education is unreliable, and you will always criticise any argument that was not founded on some kind of epiphany of clarity.

I have a feeling you'll probably ignore this post, but I'm a sucker for trying.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:58pm

Simianus wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:26pm:

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 1:31pm:

metha wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 8:00am:

If you don't understand that the human mind is the limiting factor on "truth", because they will always place beliefs on it.

The process of learning to be free is to get rid of all that you think is false, then get rid of all that you think is true, and when you remove everything that you know is true, what is left is the truth. Human perceptions are the problem.
(When you get to the level of truth, most people are thought to be insane who have found any level beyond beliefs and human emotional mental garbage. They are also ridiculed, killed etc, historically, for trying to help others to get free.)

When you can perceive billions of interactions at one time, then you will be able to say you know the truth. This can only happen when you reach the source of your mind. The mind is a terrible master, but a good slave.

If something works under any conditions and repeats on this earth then it is a truth. I have never seen the use of physics fail, in my 47 years of playing with it. Have you?
How much proof do you need for the obvious?

When something like evoldelusion never has shown any observable evidence, then you know it is not proven BS.

You cannot falsify BS, because you can't test it.

You cannot falsify Newtons laws of physics, but they never fail anyway.

Falsification is the only premise in science that is utterly false and worthless.

Only when you are talking outside of this physical reality that is caused by energy being matter, and having sustenance as the same within the realms of our perceptions, then you can talk about nonsense of this world.
When you are an outside observer, you see nothing but energy.

If you do not understand that you cannot break the laws of science and call your "religion as a science", then you will be duped into believing things that are religious in nature and have no science at all to back them.

All people understand that there is an absolute truth on some level. If you are not seeking that truth, then you are only seeking to perpetuate your beliefs.

If you have NO beliefs, you would be ultimately sane.

If you break the entire world down into it's bases, all you have is pure energy, with no meaning, and no laws. It is the consciousness that brings this energy into what we perceive from our limited understandings.

That does not mean that you can just make up utter b u l l s h i t that has no meaning and make it real.

Once you are in the physical (energy as matter) then it has to follow order and precision. There is no such thing as chaos in physical reality. There are no magical processes, or mystical creatures, nor is mythology a good idea to teach in schools.

If you want to indoctrinate, then brainwash children at an early age out of their innate BS meter. Force them "emotionally" to conform by rewards and suffering if you don't cave into the f**king beliefs.

How do you know when b u l l s h i t is being taught? When emotional reason force the belief. Children want to trust and believe the people they love. Unfortunately we have a long chain of beliefs and hate as our legacy. Get rid of all beliefs and only go with what is real, and there will be peace on this earth.

As long as you have nazi factions of religious hate, like evodelusionism taught as "science" to alienate children from seeking the truth, then we are f**ked and doomed to self destruction. Even though I know I am on my way out, I can at least share what I know in hopes to help set others free, even if it is one person, of this delusional b u l l s h i t, that is degrading to humanity.

That is the "just" of this.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 3:16pm

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:58pm:

When you can perceive billions of interactions at one time, then you will be able to say you know the truth.

Oh. Your. God.

You are the only one who knows the truth, right? That is your schtick, yeah?
I heard on your rather wide grapevine that you're somewhat of a Jehovah's Witness, but are you now claiming, by inference, divinity for yourself?

Gooddelusionforyou more like.

Why don't you just tell us your philosophy so we can get to grips with what you have to teach, my Guru, or are you just ignoring my posts hoping I'll go away (lol like you actually read posts)?

I'd very much like to know, if I follow your teachings, what else you have to share beyond an dislike of 'false' science.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Simianus on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 3:20pm

Thanks for responding. There's a lot to your answer, but I'll start at this point:

Quote:

When you can perceive billions of interactions at one time, then you will be able to say you know the truth. This can only happen when you reach the source of your mind. The mind is a terrible master, but a good slave.

And hubris isn't a limiting factor?

I'm going to be blunt, here. I've read your youtube profile. In it, you claim to have freed yourself from delusion by use of yoga. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you see yoga and meditation as a vehicle to "free" the mind and attain clarity.

That's a perfectly reasonable statement, really. Except that meditation is about emptying a person's mind. As I understand it, the goal is to achieve complete acceptence and an open mind. It's about humility, right?

Once you think you've found the answer to life's mysteries, you've pretty much closed yourself up, quit the learning process, and misappropriated the function of "mind freeing." How the hell are you going to see what's around you when you've closed your eyes?

Really, you read a bit like you think you've achieved enlightenment and godhood. How is anyone going to win an argument with a god? You'll need to pretend to be monkey for a bit to reach our level.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 5:05pm

Simianus wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 3:20pm:

Thanks for responding. There's a lot to your answer, but I'll start at this point:

Quote:

Listen to this video, if you want to learn how to be free of delusions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUyLIYVrd5U

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by glowingape on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 5:08pm

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 5:05pm:

Listen to this video, if you want to learn how to be free of delusions.

So... Why do you preach something, that you fail miserably to practice? And if you're going to say "I AM free of delusions", let's just say, that 15000 characters won't be enough to answer that.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Simianus on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 5:19pm

I am genuinely sorry, Good Science.

I take it as principle to respect other people's spiritual beliefs, and feel myself utterly unqualified to argue on a metaphysical level. This isn't a put-down; I'm just acknowledging that we'll have to agree to disagree, and prolonging the frustration isn't going to do either of us any good.

My best to you, sir.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by glowingape on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 5:36pm

Simianus wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 5:19pm:

Awww... :(

Have fun, anyways :]

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 5:39pm

prolescum wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 3:16pm:

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:58pm:

When you can perceive billions of interactions at one time, then you will be able to say you know the truth.

I give you the benefit of reading your stuff. I hope that you do the same. It is really simple, don't believe anyone. If you do your mind will be filled with HEMG. Conformity is a mental illness that is common with humans. To be free you have to not let anything interfere with your perceptions. You must not simply believe, because it is forced on you or is convenient. You must not let that child like need to be accepted be your guide.

There are only two things that exist in this; 1/ "bovine garbage" and 2/ the truth. There is nothing in between. You cannot take the truth and fill it with bovine garbage and not ruin the puritiy of it.
In science they take some truth and f**k it all up with beliefs. This is called the "rajneesh principle". His purpose was to watch sex orgies and f**k with people's minds and bodies so he convinced them (weak and stupid) that this was the way to find the truth.

The truth is obvious, right there all the time. Requires no one to teach you, and becomes self evident ALL the time, once you decide that believing in human bovine garbage is not the way.

If you are not seeking the truth, then what are you seeking?

The only thing left is HEMG. Mental masturbations of human garbage beliefs. There is nothing in between. It is either b u l l s h i t or truth.

When you realize the 99.9% of human beliefs are bovine garbage, then you can get free of them. When you are a deep believer, you will try to protect your dumb ass beliefs, because you have declared you "belief" in public and got the baptism and now are know as a believer and you will "stand" for this bovine garbage, no matter what, and close your mind to any opposition, because of you ego and need to perpetuate what gives you, success or prestige. Success and prestige are huge detriments to finding the truth.

If you parents are proud of you for your degree in human garbage beliefs, that is a detriment. If you spent years surrounded by believers and "lay down" weak sucks who just eat up this garbage, then that helps with the delusions.

My guru used to insult people who thought they were important and call them "sacks of garbage". Some realize he was telling them the truth, others were "insulted". The ones too stupid to figure it out were "insulted".

No one has the right to tell you how to learn, what truth is, or anything like that. All I can do is point out the logical fallacies in these dumb ass beliefs in fairy tale mystical causes and magical human beliefs. It is up to you to test what I say, and do it by not seeking to use the people who brainwashed you as your reference. Use your innate understanding of truth. Like, since there is no physical evidence that has no opinions in it, it is most likely b u l l s h i t. It is pretty obviously b u l l s h i t.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by glowingape on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 5:44pm

Oh, forgot to add this part...

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 5:05pm:

Listen to this video, if you want to learn how to be free of delusions.

This is another one of those pesky questions, that someone need to ask: Why do you tell us not to listen to anyone's opinion, but you keep linking the videos to who's opinion should we listen? Either that's an oxymoron, hypocrisy or stupidity of the highest rank...

So which one is it?

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 7:21pm

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 5:39pm:

prolescum wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 3:16pm:

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 2:58pm:

When you can perceive billions of interactions at one time, then you will be able to say you know the truth.

I give you the benefit of reading your stuff. I hope that you do the same. It is really simple, don't believe anyone. If you do your mind will be filled with HEMG. Conformity is a mental illness that is common with humans. To be free you have to not let anything interfere with your perceptions. You must not simply believe, because it is forced on you or is convenient. You must not let that child like need to be accepted be your guide.

There are only two things that exist in this; 1/ "bovine feculence" and 2/ the truth. There is nothing in between. You cannot take the truth and fill it with bovine feculence and not ruin the puritiy of it.
In science they take some truth and f**k it all up with beliefs. This is called the "rajneesh principle". His purpose was to watch sex orgies and f**k with people's minds and bodies so he convinced them (weak and stupid) that this was the way to find the truth.

The truth is obvious, right there all the time. Requires no one to teach you, and becomes self evident ALL the time, once you decide that believing in human bovine feculence is not the way.

If you are not seeking the truth, then what are you seeking?

The only thing left is HEMG. Mental masturbations of human garbage beliefs. There is nothing in between. It is either b u l l s h i t or truth.

When you realize the 99.9% of human beliefs are bovine feculence, then you can get free of them. When you are a deep believer, you will try to protect your dumb ass beliefs, because you have declared you "belief" in public and got the baptism and now are know as a believer and you will "stand" for this bovine feculence, no matter what, and close your mind to any opposition, because of you ego and need to perpetuate what gives you, success or prestige. Success and prestige are huge detriments to finding the truth.

If you parents are proud of you for your degree in human garbage beliefs, that is a detriment. If you spent years surrounded by believers and "lay down" weak sucks who just eat up this feculence, then that helps with the delusions.

My guru used to insult people who thought they were important and call them "sacks of feculence". Some realize he was telling them the truth, others were "insulted". The ones too stupid to figure it out were "insulted".

No one has the right to tell you how to learn, what truth is, or anything like that. All I can do is point out the logical fallacies in these dumb ass beliefs in fairy tale mystical causes and magical human beliefs. It is up to you to test what I say, and do it by not seeking to use the people who brainwashed you as your reference. Use your innate understanding of truth. Like, since there is no physical evidence that has no opinions in it, it is most likely b u l l s h i t. It is pretty obviously b u l l s h i t.

You know, on reflection, I shouldn't be taking the piss out of someone clearly in need of some help. In the hopes that you may recognise this, some noticeable symptoms.

Paranoia : Removing the facility to edit posts and send private messages from patrons - Closing threads when they scare you

Delusional thought : Stating that God = Truth and only you understand the 'real' 'absolute' truth of the sciences because science is about seeking truth, the search for ~~spock~~ God

Inability to recognise your own limitations : Claiming that you're a scientist when you're clearly not; your occupation and lack of published papers shows this - Never being able to admit when you're wrong or flummoxed - Using your supposed 180 IQ as validation of your correctness while being simultaneously ignorant of the irony of statements like the one found here

http://woahdanno.googlegroups.com/web/retarded.png?gda=c-f9Pj8AAAC2UkAsH60HRVc4-_wKlXIL3fpnYJPk8DUY2sc1xvI6baH85N0v171USROBSXNPmlSccyFKn-rNKC-d1pM_IdV0&gsc=lQp7iwsAAACsX1HUNWako4UVCklEtV51

Imaginary concepts : Humans and apes had sex and produced chimps - That you are free of subjectivity - The last few hundred years of scientific discovery is fraudulent

Dismissal of reality : When someone clearly refutes your statements you return to the safety of your three soundbites and ignore the questions or statements put to you - unachievable ambition to gather 'absolute proof'

With all this becoming a coherent whole in my mind (absolute proof of the instability, if you like), I feel I have been unsympathetic to your condition, and I don't think I should be reinforcing your false reality bubble or helping bring forward your total mental collapse. I sincerely hope you seek some help, GSFY.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 7:25pm

That link should be

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Simianus on Dec 30^th, 2009 at 9:11pm

It was a pleasure, Glowingape. I'll be around, but I'm starting to lose control of my snarky, and I really don't wish that on anyone. I'd love to talk more and would PM you my email, but I suppose greater forces are at work.

GSFY, I'd enjoy a good debate with you sometime, but it's got to go somewhere. If I can't learn from you, and you can't learn from me, there's absolutely no point in pretending to the motions.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 5:51am

metha wrote on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 4:46am:

The rest of your post is full of curse words and insults, so I just jump over that part. Do you use language like that in your scientific articles?

*stunned*

GSFY refurbishes spas for a living and has never quite understood a scientific paper, let alone written one. Never before have I come across a man with so much condescension, arrogance, hubris and self-delusion in combination with ignorance and basic lack of reason (sources available). Literally.
I think we are in danger of breaking this little reality he's created for himself.

The truth is, it's clear that he's not stupid (true, he does make up a LOT of stuff then produces it as proof of his clarity) and he probably has read up on the subjects being discussed, but you'll never change the pre-formed beliefs (ie HEMG) he already has on the topic (due to his inability to recognise that he could be mistaken and projecting his structure of belief onto science - (sources available)) - he ignores that which he cannot dispute (sources available) and genuinely believes (ironically) that everyone else is deluded (sources available), including those who actually ARE experts and work in the fields daily. Over time, this has become a world view akin to that of someone with obvious mental conditions.
His stated aim is not to discuss evolution or any other science (sources available), but to show people the error of their ways. This forum exists for him to 'teach' you about the lies of the scientific community (sources available), if you're prepared to 'un-learn' your groupthink and embrace his philosophy.
We are feeding that and reinforcing his fictional doctrine. It does not matter what your experience is, nor how astute your observations are, as far as he's concerned (sources available) we all are trapped in a pit of lies created by scientists over the last hundred years. Also, he says, despite that last sentence, when he was a boy, science was still real, with tangible results and no subjective viewpoints (sources available). Everything he says is either contradictory or contrary to observed historical data (sources splattered across the vast plains of the internet).
This is not a well mind.

In my opinion (which doesn't matter, of course), we should probably let this forum die, and prompt GSFY to seek help. I'm not trying to insult him, but I get the feeling that this is only going to get worse as time goes on. When you've created a self-contained world, all it takes is for something in real life to come up and bite you on the arse for a mind like this to break.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by glowingape on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 10:54am

prolescum wrote on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 5:51am:

In my opinion (which doesn't matter, of course), we should probably let this forum die, and prompt GSFY to seek help.

We should. I've only decided to join because I just couldn't observe silently the bastardization of computer science and biology from his side.

I've also seen, that every time, that peer-reviewed evidence is presented, our host bursts into rage, his mind going blank and replying everything with the same text without bothering to calm down.

He might be more intelligent than he's willing to show, but his mind is in a loophole, effectively running around in circles, doing... Nothing, practically. It's a closed system, which doesn't receive any new information. And the 2^nd law of thermodynamic applies even for this.

And, people, if you want to give me a howl, my email is glowingape@gmail.com

Oh, and GSFY; Go visit a psychiatrist. It will do you good. If not, you might do something you regret.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 12:15pm

Volcano Girl wrote on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 12:05pm:

glowingape wrote on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 10:54am:

prolescum wrote on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 5:51am:

In my opinion (which doesn't matter, of course), we should probably let this forum die, and prompt GSFY to seek help.

After some of the delusional rantings of gsfy in the last 12 hours or so i'm thinking that leaving this place to rot and die is possibly for the best. I actually know glowing ape from another forum so if you really wanted to get hold of me i'm sure he'd pass on any messages.

So, you are a typical, non thinking, brainwashed pseudo scientist. I feel sorry for you being so limited.

I was tested with extreme intelligence and you want to avoid reality? Why do you think that the US is so stupid, lost all of its status as the technological leader of the world.

When you teach bovine garbage to students you destroy their innate need for the truth. Confusion and bad science is ruining academia.

You want to believe people who are not believable, and that is your problem. They have no right to tell you how to think. Yet you trust them? What possible reason do you accept bovine garbage over logic and reason?

I wish you well, but that is not likely. You are headed down the toilet of delusions.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Simianus on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 2:28pm

This is what it looks like on the outside, Good Science.

There is a script as to how this debate should go, and you're seemingly taken off guard when we don't follow your script. As a consequence you become hostile and use various strategies to shove the discussion back to where it is supposed to be. You don't seem to handle improvisation very well, likely some kind of lack of control thing.

You seem to be unable to differentiate between individuals. I think you also lack the ability to see things from different perspectives. It seems most of your replies aren't vaguely tailored to the person you are responding to. Everyone gets the same generic reply that recycles the same made-up words, points and ideas, and it seems you've no desire to relate to anyone else on human level or as friends. You've created your own little fiefdom here where you need to exercise complete control, and you don't trust any of us.

Feel free to address these things if I'm completely off base.

I'm of the mind that it's probably best to accept that nothing anyone says is going to reach you or cause you to change your mind, for whatever reason.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 3:18pm

Simianus wrote on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 2:28pm:

In other words your answer to my questions is this bovine feculence of trying to control the conversation? Who do you think you are? I don't follow any rules, I make them. This is my forum, and I only want people to answer questions and share ideas. If you want some form of control, go get a dog.

This is supposed to be a neutral forum where people can post as long as they don't break laws. I make is so that all people are not identified in order to give them the freedom to abandon this bovine feculence religion of Evodelusionism. If you are too stupid to realize that I am giving you a way out, and you go to other forums and identify your self as being on here, you lose that anonymity.

If you want to seek the truth in science, then seek the truth. Stop seeking to perpetuate garbage, unfounded beliefs, that are nothing more than religious nonsense.

Now, where is your absolute evidence that proves evolution to you, so that the readers don't think you are insane? No opinions are allowed, just solid, physical evidence that is irrefutable, obvious and doesn't require religious mystical causes as some form of answer.

Show me the physical evidence of "transitional fossils" that is irrefutable, showing partial development of any species? Go ahead! Give it a shot.

The problem for these "pseudo scientists" is that I know your script, your beliefs and all the crap you think is evidence. I have objective reason and can understand you, far better than you understand yourself. That is difficult for you to deal with.

Your pompous nonsense has no purpose other than as some form of you trying to protect yourself from the truth.

So what you are saying is that you are crying because I don't play by your dumb ass rules designed to be politically correct and not hurt you weak feelings? It is your feelings and emotions that are tied up in this feculence, and control your mind.
This is what it looks like.

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Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by prolescum on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 3:31pm

Oh, forgot.

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Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by Aught3 on Jan 2^nd, 2010 at 9:44pm

Ok so no trolling here then.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Jan 3^rd, 2010 at 1:33pm

We welcome people who are willing to learn and share.

If you want to learn to be free, this is your best shot.

If you want to learn how people get into delusional beliefs, this is a good forum to learn that.

You are completely anonymous here, and have the freedom to think outside the tiny box of belief that has been imposed on you by your culture, peers, school, education and popular beliefs.

The main question here is:

Where is your absolute evidence for evolution, that is irrefutable and has no other plausibilities and has no human emotional mental garbage beliefs and opinions in it?

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Jan 4^th, 2010 at 7:18pm

prolescum wrote on Jan 4^th, 2010 at 3:39am:

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2010 at 1:33pm:

If you want to learn how people get into delusional beliefs, this is a good forum to learn that.

Indeed.

Here are the videos that you obviously cannot understand. I could not make it any easier to understand even for people who are deeply in denial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPPafzd4wGI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQrkBtnD_UQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeAzlfNrqKM

And here is how Buddha put it:
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

If you want to indoctrinate into a belief that will keep the masses down and ignorant, then teach them that the truth does not matter. Teach them that belief in some f**ked up theory is all you need in order to make it in this world and you will be rewarded if you kiss the ass of your nice teacher.

If you want a child to be indoctrinated into a religion, put this garbage on TV and show these disgusting messed up fantasy creatures to them, before they have a chance to ask one question to see if they are real or not. If you catch them early enough they will believe anything. They want to belong to society and the club of delusional believers, who call themselves the "elite intellectuals", while they are really brainwashed morons.

Now. Where is that absolute evidence for evolution that has no opinions in it? If you can find one "paper" on this garbage that doesn't have only and nothing else, but opinions in it then you would be the first.

Title: Re: Absolute Evidence
Post by GoodScienceForYou on Jan 8^th, 2010 at 11:41am

If you are not seeking to find the truth, then you are only seeking to perpetuate your beliefs.

IF you take no beliefs with no physical evidence, as in this case of Evodelusion, then that will retard your seeking of truth.

One must never accept and believe in things that have no empirical evidence. Belief is often stronger than reality. Brainwashing, children into belief, is more common than anything else in this world. Wanting to be accepted by society is the biggest block to the truth.