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DNA Shows no Evolution! This is supposed to be a "pro" evolution video.
Nov 11th, 2009 at 12:13pm
 
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We can see there is no "evolution" in evidence, anywhere on this earth, unless you have a deeply held religoius belief from academia forcing this belief on you.

For over 150 years this idea of simple life becoming more complex, seemed plausible to many.  But for all but the last 20 years we did not have the DNA data to really support or not support this idea.

The DNA does not support this idea of evolution at all. 

Evolution:  "that theory which sees in the history of all things organic and inorganic a development from simplicity to complexity, a gradual advance from a simple or rudimentary condition to one that is more complex and of a higher character."  Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language.



It was this video that caused me to make my first hypothesis that Chimps came from interbreeding between humans and some missing apes some 4,000 years ago.  Everything this guy says backs up that hypothesis, while he thinks this is proof of evolution. 

Today after much more detailed study the original hypothesis is gone, because it has too many road blocks, and as a scientist I have developed a theory now because all of the evidence we have now supports it, perfectly.

It is proof of the "Law of Genetic Stability" that I propose as obvious and shown in all the facts found in all of biology. Genetic stability is what supports and holds a species genetic structures, until something acts on the DNA to "toxify" and destroy the original DNA structures. There is no evolution towards more complex.  We only have what we have and we must protect that.

The Law of Genetic stability:  The creature remains in a genetic lineage passing healthy genetic coding until mutagens act as a downgrading (devolving) of features until extinction.

When the foundational genetics can no longer adapt it or the mutagens reduce fitness the species dies. It does not change into some other type of life.  A mammal never becomes a fish and a fish never becomes a mammal.  What ever the magical belief is.

We know from science that the human genome is degrading. It is not improving.  We know that people have more and more genetic imperfections and are not getting any "better". This is an absolute fact found in all the data on medical sites about genetic problems we have.

Chimps and Humans are TOO CLOSE genetically to be anything but directly related by normal genetic reasons.  There is NO magical, other plausibility that is as accurate to all of the evidence. The only accurate hypothesis that fits all the evidence is that: older species of superior humans are the common ancestor of the other great primates/ great apes. That apes are degnenerated humans and humans are not apes because apes are a downgraded genetic humans.

The great primates are a degradation or degeneration of the Human Genome.

The mass of common ERV's have to be transmitted by interbreeding by procreation and reproduction or by  new infections that happen to hit the same location  (no other way), and by no other method to have this much in common. ( There is an extremely small possibility of some by infection as well, because that is how they got there in the first place.) 

That chimps are the degredation of the human genome, just like dogs are the genetic degredation of Wolves.

If humans bred with this inferior "human" chimp (at a developmental, de-evolution, stage where breeding could still take place), then any number of creatures can be brought into existence that have human characteristics.  It is possible that Chimps, (before too much de-evolution) and Humans bred to produce the Neanderthal and all of the DNA supports that hypothesis as of this date (Jan 24, 2011)(again at Mar 6 2011)

Humans are smarter, more dexterous, more able to survive than Chimps.  The oldest humans were much stronger, had stronger immune systems, stronger bones, and larger brain capacity and far better, synoptic connectoins, (better computer).

It is a "horrible" idea that we are degrading but it is factual in all the evidence. We are not more intelligent than our ancestors.  We simply have had more technological discoveries to use with what existing intelligence we have left.

The human brain was made with way more capacity than we have used.  However, as we continue to radiate, contact with toxic chemical, and biological infections causing mutations, our brains, and total genome, you can see the results by looking at chimps, gorillas and orangutans.

(Exceptionally intelligent people simply use more of their brain than most humans, because they do not let emotional "reasons" control thoughts.  They also don't fear anyone and they certainly do not find any need to conform to human beliefs, not founded on absolutely irrefutable evidence.)

The sad thing is that many of those technological discoveries are helping to speed up or genetic degradation.  see my Cancer Video.



Wolves are stronger, smarter, more cunning hunters, and fully able to survive in the wild. Dogs are degraded with many genetic diseases, cancer, bone dysfunctions, and some can barely walk (Bulldogs). But dogs can still breed with their "parent" of the genetic lineage.  Humans may or may not, because we have not seen this attempted for ethical reasons. The 46 chromosomes caused by a fusion and a few other genetic differences can stop this breeding, making chimps a fully speciated devolved from human species.

Humans passing down ERV's and DNA to direct descendants who were subjected to radiation or any natural cause can degrade a whole tribe to the level of Chimps. (radiation, toxins in water, diseases we know nothing about because these things have changed as the volcanic radioactive materials have decayed and have been washed away.)

We have never seen any genetic improvements in humans (or dogs or any species) from the original. We know that there is a correct way for the gene expression to work because we can see it in people (and genome of all creatures) without genetic degradation in certain parts of the gene expression. We know that humans were better. We can judge the healthy way genes look in people who do not have a particular genetic disease and compare that gene with the people expressing that disease.

We can look to see the exact protean construction of healthy cells.  We can also see the protean constrution of cells that do not function fully.  And we can see the cells that are just "sick" from degredation in the many recognized diseases.  We now have over 4000 of those mapped.  Finally we can see the remnants of gene expressions that are no longer functioning at all.  These are the ones that by lack of use, are no longer needed, but may be triggered by environment to resurface and be usable again, called atavisms.

There is NOTHING NEW in the human genome or the genome of any creature. 

There are over 70% of the mutations are bad, deleterious to the human genome and 29% are considered neutral, ONE percent might be positive.  That is 70 to 1 against this religious mythological idea of "evolution".

Degradation of the genome and is ALL we know for sure.

We know that continual reproduction of genetic weakness will eventually weaken humans to the point of extinction. We have mapped thousands of genetic caused illnesses.

on DonExodus, By the way this guy is so weak that he bans all who question his belief.  He is your typical fanatic believer in Evodelusionism and is utterly afraid of me.  I asked this DonExodus a few questions and he banned me.  Cowards are common with people who cave into beliefs that are shoved in their face by society.

All religious HEMG needs to be removed from public schools and Evodelusionism is a mythological religion.

The first mapping of DNA of Neanderthals showed much more
"Chimpanzee like creatures". This is because they were only looking at mDNA which is transferred to offspring by the mother only.  That means that the "mother" of the Neanderthals is most probably an ancient Chimp creature.

Considering that Chimps at one time were a de-evolved partially speciated, from the genetic human lineage, this is the most logical reason for the mDNA showing "chimp like". The scientists originally stated that Neanderthals were not humans at all, now they can see they were from the same genetic lineage as humans.

In the latest DNA it is from the center of the cell DNA and shows that we are related and "probably bred humans and Neanderthal".  It is more likely that humans and chimps bred to create the Neanderthal.

This is the really nice guy who mapped out the Neanderthal's DNA.  He has many misconceptions to overcome. I have listened to him and he has the typical indoctrination into the religious ideas of Evodelusionism.

Paalo

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100506-science-neanderthals-huma...
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Reply #1 - Nov 11th, 2009 at 2:13pm
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Nov 11th, 2009 at 12:13pm:


 


If you listen carefully all of his arguments are creationism aganist Evodelusionism, which are two religions.  That makes it clear that Evodelusionsim is a religion, because when I argue with them about science, they never have an answer. Their only argument is against another religion.  They call there religion The Theory of Evolution and disguise it in classrooms as science. There can be no "evolution" if all we see is "degeneration" and a general weakening of the species.

They only argue against religions. When you see someone who argues with religions, then you know it is not science but it is a religion.

The answer to all his nonsense is in the DNA and the Chromosomes and in the physical evidence  and in the nature of the characteristics of the creatures; morphology, mental ability, food, logic, emotions we see in chimps that are identical to humans. 

This shows a direct down lineage  transference of human DNA chromosomes into the primate culture, and quite possible all the primates with human characteristics came from human genetic transference.

Look at this video and tell me this isn't some form of human intelligence passed into the Chimp?



This memory is not inhibited by speech or thoughts that have speech or direct linear logic.   This ability is super fast and not slowed down by other human brain functions.

To me this is evidence of a direct relationship from genetic lineage from humans at some point in time. The fact that Chimps have 94.6% of the human DNA and 48 chromosomes that are nearly identical to humans can only be attributed to a direct interbreeding or direct descendants from humans, at some point and that humans are the "ancestors" of Chimps and Humans. 


Go look a the Genome information on Chimps, Humans and Gorillas, and tell me there isn't a family resemblance?
The fusion of #2 chromosome seems very logical but it would have happened sometime after the interbreeding or natural events to produce the Chimps.

According to the Neanderthals DNA which shows both human and chimp DNA, the Chimps and Humans may be the parent group of the Neanderthals.

These are all facts that cannot be refuted by Evodelusionists.  The oldest Chimp artifact that has been dated is only 4000 years old. As you know the radiometric dating past 10,000 years is worthless. Read the Radiometric posts on here.

Using the utterly unverified radiometric dating we have humans at 6.1 million years and 3.4 million years and the oldest chimp fossil is 500 thousand years.  HMM?  The chimps are much younger by either method of deduction.

Here is the only chimp fossil we have. It is only teeth.
The fact that we only have one also spells out that it is a very young species that has not had time to deposit more fossils.
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This puts the nail in the coffin of ERV evidence.
Reply #7 - Nov 14th, 2009 at 11:28am
 
This is another excellent video that explains in detail the odds of humans being a direct parent of the chimps.


Please notice that he states that humans have 23 chromosomes.  That is a lie, we posses 46 23 from each parent. This shows up at 3.:37 on his video.  If I had made such a "huge mistake" as this guy in one of my videos the Evodelusionists would never let me live it down.

This guy rattles on and on and on about probability.  I find that alone to be funny. 
What is even funnier, is that he thinks this is evidence for "common ancestor" but it is even more compelling evidence for human as the common ancestor of all  primates, before the chromosomal fusion of #2 in humans.  Remember the Chimp has 94.6 the same DNA and 48 Chromosomes and the Chimp chart lines up perfectly with humans.  That is just too tight of a similarity to have them be a separate tree of some "mystical common ape ancestor".  The ERV's evidence puts the "nail in the coffin" this common ancestor idea.
The "odds" of the ERV's "coincendence" just shows more evidence for humans as the "common" ancestor of both humans and chimps, with some sort of direct sexual link between the two. Since the oldest artifact we have of a Chimp is about 4,000 years old, and that radiometric dating of fossils is crap science, this video's "evidence" spells out direct genetic lineages from humans as the parent of the great apes and the chimp is the least devolved.


Science has to have reality brought into it. All of the evidence must be looked at objectively and not with "evodelusion glasses" over your mind. 
This ERV evidence is extremely compelling for human and ape interbreeding and direct lineages from the parent human group.

  The chromosomal fusion would seem to be the limiting factor now for any further interbreeding.

There are species that have been separated by 2 million (fantasy years of radiometric nonsense) that can still interbreed.  The Cama is the most recent of these. The necessary ingredients that show breeding ability is DNA and chromosome matches.
Listen to this video and realize that my hypothesis is being proven in this video. There is no "common ancestor" shown in the ERV's there is only common well known  genetic facts Smiley.

All of the other ERV evidence with other primates just shows the "mixing of these races".   The other primates are descendants of mixing and harmonizing of the ERV.s propagated through the species.   Humans and apes no longer can interbreed.  The original DNA cannot be tested to show anything beyond what is obvious and matches all the other evidence we have.
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Reply #8 - Nov 14th, 2009 at 12:09pm
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Nov 14th, 2009 at 11:28am:

Please notice that he states that humans have 23 chromosomes.  That is a lie, we posses 46 23 from each parent. This shows up at 3.:37 on his video.  If I had made such a "huge mistake" as this guy in one of my videos the Evodelusionists would never let me live it down.

This guy rattles on and on and on about probability.  I find that alone to be funny. 


In the physical world there is no "random".  It only exists as a pure mathmatical idea and can not be integrated into science at all.

You will find that "evodedusionists" often use the idea of "random" when it  fits the propaganda (dogma) and they can use the art of deception on whomever is in front of them at that time, including themselves.

Random is abosolutely impossble in the physical world.  You only have events, interactoins of energy and mass and the effects are propogated down the line of physical events, like a wave or wake in water.   These interactions have a one event, and one interaction and one reaction per event but since everything is interconnected by this universal physical and energy connection, everything has an effect on everything else and some times the propagation of an event will have a short chain of events that bring it back to cause an interaction on the original propagator of the event.

(If you fire a gun in a room that has another person with a gun, you will most likely get shot at.)

It can circle back in a tight looped network of physical and energy connections. But it is never random.

In Quanum physics they have vague theories about this, but it only works on groups if identical pure energy forms.  It cannot operate outside of a group or quantum of the same matter.

There is no such thing as random in the universe.  There is a direct relationship between all things and are cause and effect, but no random.

Now, if you take their dumb ass idea of random and apply it to DNA, it would be absolutely impossible for humans to exist today as they are right now.   There are 3.2 billion base pairs in the Genome of humans.  They are all lined up perfectly to replicate from the DNA/RNA replication process but only exactly as they are.  If you change any of it, you get a different creature.  The "odds"  of that happening by random accident are in the tens of trillions of years of any advancement towards improvement and new features of development by random.  Adding new information has never been verified by any experiment.

So, whenever this mathematical fact is  brought up, the evodelusionists will tell you there is no random.   Listen to Ken Miller's arguments against evolution.  I seems that random only works for evolutionists, but it doesn't work in any other science.




By the way; I have asked Ken Miller twice to do a public debate, argument, or even just presentations side by side on video even in front of his audiences at a pubic place like a college auditorium.  He has refused.  The only debates he does are against creationists who try to use faith against his indoctrinated beliefs.

I have emailed him and he seems sincere, but has no idea what the evidence actually means.
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Reply #9 - Nov 14th, 2009 at 4:41pm
 
Look at these chromosome charts and DNA of the Human, Chimp, Gorilla and Orangutang.  These are all directly genetically linked.

We have absolutely, irrefutable, physical evidence showing in the genomes of all creatures a continual loss of gene expression, genes that do not function as the original design, weakened cells that are much more prone to diseases, atavisms which are old genes that do not express.  We have NO indication of any improvements towards more complexity nor fitness in any genome on this planet.

This is absolute evidence that I ask the Evodelusionists to come up with that proves the opposite.  I have asked over 500 people to come up with this evidence, and of course they cannot.  This is because it does not exist.  There is ONLY evidence of de-evolution, from more complex, more fit more capacity for intelligence and more strength in the ancestors.

My hypothesis on this. Modified Jan 24, 2011
1/ Chimp is a direct defective human that survived some catastrophic event on the genome.  It caused LOSS of genetic information and only loss.

2/ Chimps bred with humans.

3/ Chimps downgraded again to produce Gorilla and Orangutaion in some direct genetic events, by interbreeding and or genetic defects continually degrading the species.


4/ The Chimp and Human produced the Neanderthals.
     A/ Neanderthals mated with humans.

Synopsis:

1/ A separated human tribe was exposed to environmental causes that degraded the genome in the entire tribe.  Shorting life, reducing mental abilities, and distorting the bodies.
2/ This tribe as a group reproduced = Chimps.
3/ Humans interbred with them Chimps = Neanderthal

4/ Neanderthals bred with humans. (this has been discovered recently to be fact)

5/ Humans had the Chromosome fusion that resulted in Chromosome number 2. and 46 total Chromosomes from the original 48 when they could breed with chimps or other primates. No more plausible to breed with primates.

Orangutans, Gorillas are in the mix somewhere with interbreeding from the degraded human genome.

and so on.


And NO I do not believe any of this. It is just a much more plausible hypothesis than some mystical nonsense. This does fit all the evidence we have.

4/ The only way science works is through pure logic and reason, not some wish and religious belief that evoldelusion was real. IF you believe in evolution, you will see it in your mind and it taints your objectivity, making you not a scientists but a religious believer.

5/ Because this is a highly plausible hypothesis, (much more plausible than any other hypothesis) it negates the idea of the belief in some common ancestor of the chimp and the human.  There has to be a genetic reason for this amazing closeness to humans and chimps and this answers it far better than any other hypothesis. It also fits all the verifiable evidence on humans and chimps in the physical world.  The genetic evidence really only suggests that the Human IS the "common ancestor" of both Chimps and Humans. This cannot be "falsified" either.

If you have no physical evidence to show genus "mutations" that result in evolution, you make up nonsense based on belief, like common ancestors, that have never been seen, then to fill in the blanks with fantasy and mythological creatures that have never shown up in any evidence.

These Evodelusionism believers overlook all the evidence we have, for some very obvoius reasons.

You have to be very ignorant of science and genetics, like the TV newscasters on the liberal  media to believe this fantasy. 

Ask yourself if you are that foolish as to accept all distorted logic without taking the time to understand what these believers are doing?

If you go to school (screwal) and learn all the dogma and indoctrination and they never allow you to think for yourself, nor do they show you ALL of the evidence, nor do they evaluate any piece of evidence by any other extremely plausible and more logical idea, that would destroy the (your) belief they want to force on you in the classroom, then you know it is an indoctrination and a religion based on belief and faith.

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Everything that happens in life has an absolute truth to it.

Everything in life has an absolute truth as to the events that took place.

Every event, action, interaction, reaction, and chain reaction of mass (physical matter) or energy has an absolute truth as to how it took place and what really happened.

In my science that is what I seek.  It is called the "truth". I never accept delusional premises based on ideas that have no absolute evidence.

In my science we deal in reality and in only the things we know as absolute evidence.

Radiation dating (Radiometric dating) is not real science because it cannot ever be verified by humans with the tools we have now. It's limits and accuracy have never been tested an cannot be tested. It is based on assumption.

The fossil record consists of people who have been taught that all this is evidence, when in fact it is nothing but opinions and projections of what they think these fossils are.

Humans are extremely flawed and tend to project beliefs on things. If you put your faith in humans, you are in deep trouble.  Since there is no DNA evidence or chromosomal evidence to test to see if any of these fossils are even related, they are actually worthless as science.  They make good novelties on the bookshelf.

But just like all the people who were released from prison when "real evidence" showed up in their criminal cases in the form of DNA, there is no empirical evidence in the fossil record.  It is just humans and their beliefs (and beliefs have killed many innocent people). There is absolutely no way to tie any fossil to any other fossil, if all you have is human eyeballs and thoughts projected on the "evidence".  It is not even close to evidence.  It certainly does not fit any definition of science.  You cannot perform any scientific, repeatable test to show this is even science.  It is a religion that started well over 2000 years ago in pagan religions.

Once you have the first "authority" who believes this crap, then they force it on others.  As it propagates throughout "science" it is thought of as "real", just like "the world is flat",or "the earth is the center of the universe" which were propagated the same way.

In classrooms all over they teach this as if it was real, because the teachers were not able to guard thier intelligence against the indoctrinatoin and they never looked outside the cult to verify if it was true or not.  That is what happens today when these kids, babies, are telling me that I don't understand science.   The problem is I do understand their science completely and know for a fact that it is not science at all, but a pseudo science propagated by belief and faith in humans looking at "evidence" that they don't understand, but force it to fit a dumb ass belief.

If you can prove, absolutely, any tie between any fossil that is not opinion, then you must have a time machine and evidence of your time machine.   This is the most ridiculous form of pseudo science I have ever seen.

In all the news clippings and articles in science journals, the headlines are like this.  "New finding of the BlaBlaBla suggest evolution according to DR, Delusion who got his Ph D in "Evodelusional Morphology" from some ivy league school funded by corporations.

There is never any absolute evidence, never: Just the delusional *opinions* by believers.
No one has the right to tell you what any evidence is. They are all humans and if you let other humans tell you how to think, they own you, your soul ,your mind and your life, because you gave it to them either out of innocence and coercion of society, or because of your compulsions.
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Reply #11 - Nov 24th, 2009 at 2:43pm
 
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You sure are way off about this randomness.
Can you predict how many snowflakes will land on your lawn? They're talking about things that are not predictable due to complexity. The events are NOT random. I don't think there is any randomness in the universe. But they aren't predictable either. An animal decides to go west instead of east and gets hit with a gamma ray from some uranium in the ground and BAM. "Random" mutation. It just happens.


They aren't predictable, because they aren't predictable with any tools we have now. Not because they are random.  . Random and predictable are not even in the same sentence. Not even in the same "ball park" as is the common terminology. Once the matter came into being, it follows the laws of science.



No one can predict anything that is beyond the ability of the human mind to predict.   We barely can predict simple physics equations and the results of normal use of projectiles and controlling the direction and speed of aircraft and space missiles.   

Prediction, beyond what the human mind can see,  is voodoo and left to the psychics and astrologers, not scientists. 

Sometimes. statistics, permutations, combinations and probability, (the study of what humans believe are random)  seems to work, but most of the time it fails by a large percentage.  Seeming to work is not science. Predictions, without reason,  are also not part of science.  I don't deal in political poles and tiny ideas that if a tiny part does this then it must represent the larger.  This is the bovine feculence of projection of belief that I do not allow in science.

I only want what really works and is real science.
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Reply #12 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 11:04pm
 
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You sure are way off about this randomness.
Can you predict how many snowflakes will land on your lawn? They're talking about things that are not predictable due to complexity. The events are NOT random. I don't think there is any randomness in the universe. But they aren't predictable either. An animal decides to go west instead of east and gets hit with a gamma ray from some uranium in the ground and BAM. "Random" mutation. It just happens.



I take it that you don't realize that this is a law of physics.
It is not some theory.  There is only cause and effect in the real world. Random is not even a possibility in the natural world.  Random is only an abstract mathematical term that has never worked on complex creatures.  Because it is not possible.   IN other words creatures are not predictable, and they do not have any random events.  All the interactions in the creature have to follow logic.

This is something you have been brainwashed out of. You cannot or are not able to see obvious pure logic. 

Whenever a scientist cannot understand why something is happening or has taken place, they use the word random and pull it out of their ass. When they speak with authority and have degrees in this religious idea, then they are in power to inflict their religious beliefs on poor unsuspecting children and make intellectual victims of them.

I have some contempt for this because this evodelusion stuff is not science, but is sold to ignornate people as science with all the trappings that has been used for centuries.

DR, "so and so" says this is truth.  And he is the god of all the universe and knows everything.

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Reply #13 - Nov 27th, 2009 at 12:01am
 
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You sure are way off about this randomness.
Can you predict how many snowflakes will land on your lawn? They're talking about things that are not predictable due to complexity. The events are NOT random. I don't think there is any randomness in the universe. But they aren't predictable either. An animal decides to go west instead of east and gets hit with a gamma ray from some uranium in the ground and BAM. "Random" mutation. It just happens.


This is a repost.

I really am trying to believe that you want to know, so I am repeating the same facts over and over. But I realize now you are a troll who has lied about your intentions of learning. This is the sort of sneaky and insincere, behavior a religious person with compulsions to save his religion.

If you are not aware of the laws of physics, I suggest you get a few books on the subject and study.

 
This is your last post on this.  If you are too intellectually and educationally handicapped to understand that  random in the universe means no universe, because without the fundamental laws of science that hold the universe together it doesn't exist.

The universe operates on structures and laws that reveal themselves by discovery.  Any random (scrambled with no cause) is destructive to the universe.

There is only cause and effect, no random.  After the first impulse that generated this universe and all the laws of science were started that hold the universe together, it has never changed.  It is one action, event after another that is only cause and effect. 

When humans are too weak minded an feeble to see all the "events" taking place at at one instant, does not make them apparently random, but it shows clearly how weak and feeble the human mind is.


When we have computer that can analyze billions of events in one instance quantum will be shown to be idiotic.

Because humans are so stupid the try to force ideas on the universe. Mostly because they are weak and fearful and have to make things up to answer questions their weak and feeble minds can't even comprehend.  Religion in science is caused by weak and stupid people who make up fantasy to answer things they have no way of knowing.



This fantasy of evodelusion requires the fantasy of random in some of its silly beliefs in order to have random DNA happen by magic.These fools then say that there is no random when it comes to other parts of their beliefs. Seriously that is called selective use of random based upon what part of the belief they are forcing on the evidence that day.

If they tell you one lie, and you figure it out, then it unravels pretty easily as you go study all the evidence they don't show you and how there are upright humans living some 6.1 million years ago with a modern femur.  You won't find that evidence in any classroom, because I have asked an not one student is aware of this.  This is because radiometric dating on replacement fossils is a totally not verified as correct.

Now we have them violating the laws of physics and saying that these new DNA in the offspring must be "random mutations" when there is no such thing in the entire universe.  There are many more logical fallacies that this HEMG belief is imposed on evidence.  Only a person who is brainwashed into belief would allow this nonsense in science.

You have to realize it makes me sick to have to deal with really stupid people for too long who keep repeating the same things as if they were proven. 

Getting into that level of ignorance and trying to pull people out means that I have to go in and understand all of your delusions and see the conditions you are in.  To me it is like a doctor going to a village of people with cholera and having no way to fix them, because the disease is too deep.  You have to fix yourself.

I can only tell you the truth about science from an entirely objective perspective of no beliefs. I only go with what is in the evidence and what is obvious and what follows the laws of science that have never failed to be true in my 47 years of science study.

When I was 16 years old I realize immediately that these weak humans who are in charge of the fossils are delusional believers in this idea that evolution is real and were projecting that belief on the fossils and ruining them as scientific specimens.

Belief destroys all credibility.  Knowledge of the truth is not believe.  As soon as you are brainwashed into a belief and you "absorb it" declare your allegiance to it by getting a degree in it or teaching this delusional HEMG, or just telling your friends you believe (Amen Darwin god of the universe)  to other people you are totally screwed  in the head and have no credibility as a scientist and no logic or reason left. 

Your life then becomes nothing but a ridiculous fantasy that you must protect, that never seem to go anywhere and not many of the pieces seem to fit.

Only what is true produces good results.

How do you know if it is true science?  Look at the results.






If you don't have the capacity to understand the laws of physics I strongly suggest that you find some other hobby.
If you do anything with science you will make mostly mistakes and be worthless to humanity as a scientist until you grasp the "rules" of life and science.

I am not going to wast any more time until you are ready to learn from me and stop being a troll, spamming this forum with your nonsense.

You can go read all the articles of the physicists on this. They will tell you that anyone of the fundamental laws of science  were to not function life would cease. 

There are many articles on this and you can google them.

Don't ask any more really dumb questions.

I am totally aware of all of Einsteins work.  He is one of my mentors.
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Reply #14 - Nov 27th, 2009 at 2:12am
 
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You sure are way off about this randomness.
Can you predict how many snowflakes will land on your lawn? They're talking about things that are not predictable due to complexity. The events are NOT random. I don't think there is any randomness in the universe. But they aren't predictable either. An animal decides to go west instead of east and gets hit with a gamma ray from some uranium in the ground and BAM. "Random" mutation. It just happens.


What an intellectually handicapped person you are!  The change to the genome has a cause, the "gamma ray".   It did not occur by some magic.

In the passing of genetic information, you idiots think that DNA is at the deepest level.  It is a result of the deepest level and nothing happens by random in the breeding process.  The whole of the traits are passed from both parents and any changes can only come from the parents under all normal circumstances.  So those 100 or so differences in the DNA are caused by the transference of information from the parents.

DNA is not the cause of itself. This is something you need to know.  It is scientific fact that NOTHING IS THE CAUSE OF ITSELF.

Random is never a possibility in real science.

If someone gets hit by lightening, it is because they were in the location of a lightening storm.  Not because some random lightening shot up their ass while typing garbage beliefs on a computer as you do. Grin

You are not a rational person.  I really had hopes for you.
Here is a song for you to think about.
You have a very ugly spirit, very hateful and unreasonable, obstinate and prideful and egotistical with no accurate knowledge of the natural world of science.  There is no reason to be prideful if you are ignorant of even the most basic laws of physics.
This is what I have found in most people with delusions not based on the truth.

This is our band. HavenHead My wife signs and writes the lyrics and melodies.  I play the guitar and my best friend play guitar and bass.

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