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Dec 12th, 2009 at 1:11pm
 
I have to do it for them.
There is no science in delusions.

1/ The fossil record.

The fossil record is full of nonsense and because of the radiometric dating system is totally not reliabe as any form of evidence of anything other than dead extinct creatures and those that are not exitinct still look the same as the first of the genus from the first fossil they left 50 million to 125 millon years ago by this screwed up radiometric dating system.

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There is absolutely no way to verify any of those fossils are even related, because without DNA in the fossils all you have is delusional believers. Making up crap from belief and nothing more.  When paleontologist believe in evolution, they have no credibility.  Any belief destroys credibility of any scientist.  There is no credibility until you have absolute evidence to back what you believe.

I have seen testimony of them taking a single toe bone and fabricating an entire creature from it. That is how delusional these idiots are. The odds of any bone not being distorted is 100% for distortion.  If you look at the fossils, then look at the Images and statues and animation of these creatures you can see that they took "artistic license" and make them fit their belief of what they want them to look like, but I am here to revoke their "artistic license".  I give them a new title of fantasy artists.

There are modern human, foot prints in hardened lava dating to 3.4 million years, by this human emotional mental garbage belief in radiometric dating.  Radiometric dating is not even science, has never passed a single test to see if it works past a few thousand years.
These foot prints are of a young child obviously holding hands with an adult. The foot prints match modern, today's humans.

They have a made up system for determining the "tree of life" and where these fossils fit.  But if you have no DNA all you have is human opinions and nothing else.

Opinions are like butt holes, everybody has them, but all you get is crap from them.

When you have absolute evidence it is self apparent and needs no experts to explain it.

In order to prove evolution you need a complete trail of even ONE genus that has ever evolved into some new creature.
This does not exist on this planet.

It only exists in the minds of Evodelusion believers.  That is not science, it is a human emotional mental garbage religion.

In order to show evolution, in fossils you need both DNA and to be able to see growing features.  You would need to see a partial leg growing in a fish and then you would need to have a full series of DNA and features that are progressing as this "evolution" is taking place.

That has never shown in any fossil. 

Today, right now, if evolution was true, we would see it in transitional creatures RIGHT NOW. That means in the world of creatures, we would need to see partial bones, partial teeth development, partial and transitional features in ALL CREATURES.  But we see the same creatures today as in the fossils of the first of any species or genus.

In the fossil record of what these idiots believe are pre humans, there is only dead ends with no trails of anthing from humans to these "fantasy" pre humans they call hominids.  All of these fairy tale "hominids" are dead ends with extinction and no tie to any humans.

This is true in the entire fossil record on all creatures. Dead ends with some huge gap. They fill in this gap with faith and belief. One idiot potsmoker54 says in his video. "Don't worry, about these gaps [of millions of years] you must have faith and belief in the science."  I kid you not! That is how delusional these people get after a while. They think they are making sense, and that is what delusions do to your thinking.



There are so many fossils that do not fit the belief.  In my 40 years of checking in and study, I know of at leas 100 fossils that have been argued over by "experts" (bovine shitters) in Evodelusion and they always come up with some "work around" to make them seem to fit the dumb ass belief.

The other part is most of these students, never see these fossils in the classroom.  They have a programmed indoctrination and they would not want to inject any real evidence that would spoil the religious belief. They want to make sure that the students declare their belief in public and write papers on the bovine garbage they are taught, before they allow them to see any of the contradiction. That way these students will not break from the belief.  If you have a PHD in this bovine garbage you basically screwed yourself.



You have to be an idiot to fall for this delusional crap.
And this is just one part of this delusion. Roll Eyes
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Reply #1 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 3:34pm
 
oh_noes wrote on Dec 12th, 2009 at 1:29pm:
The fossil record is full of nonsense? I'd suggest it is full of fossils.

Why are you so hung up on genus anyway, why not order and family etc?


Pretty much all of your terminology is "slogans" of delusion.

There is only genus and species of any creature, there is no family or domain or any of your ridiculous nonsense.  You are a believer in nonsense held up with totally fabricated garbage "slogans" like that. Your "tree of life" is also a religious Icon. For crying out loud! A friggin "tree of life"  Grin Cheesy how much more religious can you idiots get. Roll Eyes Grin Cheesy

Then depending on the creatures of the genus, they are referred to as "strains", of the species, or "breeds" or "race" of the species. You can do a trail on the living and recent creatures, but you can't do anything with rocks that look like bones. 

Only if you have DNA trail can you categorize anything. That means that anything in the fossil record is worthless except as curios on the bookshelf.  You cannot, are not allowed to force your belief on evidence. It is call insanity.

You don't need anything else, because there is nothing else.
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Reply #2 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 4:10pm
 
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They took this smashed inprint of this suppsed bird and make a mockery of it.

This is what delusions get you:

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Can you imagine what a friggin juvenile thought that went past their heads as they made this crap model.  These people are insane, not rational at all.
This is the kind of crap they are using in classes to promote this crap. The more they can fabricate these creatures that they have no clue, NOT A CLUE, what they looked like and yet they impose this crap on children, and university students, who believe them because they trust these idiots.
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Making false images of creatures they have no clue about is called delusional human emotional mental garbage.


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Reply #4 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 5:02pm
 
You define it.  If you look in the old books it was clearly defined as the creature path of genealogy that came down from the firsts creature in the genus.

If you look at the first horse, and all the generations down the line they are all in the same genus.  There is nothing outside of that genus from any other lineage.  You must have direct DNA evidence to tie any of a genus together with any accuracy.

Personally, your definition is not valid.
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Reply #5 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 5:59pm
 
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This is one of the most ridiculous pieces of crap I have ever looked at.  It needs to be mocked and ridiculed. Grin
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Reply #6 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 7:05pm
 
oh_noes wrote on Dec 12th, 2009 at 6:04pm:
So you are now arguing that "bird" is a genus? That "fish" is a genus? That "reptile" is a genus?

You mentioned mammals, and you also mentioned platypus.
What would you say if I were to point out that the platypus is a mammal? It's a monotreme, defined as an egg laying mammal. The monotremes are an infraclass of mammals IIRC, along with marsupials and placentals.

Of course the mammals would never be considered a genus, and neither would the montremes. The classificaiton is too broad, but the point still stands. By your definition the mammals are a genus, and as such the platypus, placentals and marsupials are all members of that genus.

I should also point out that by your definition Eukaryote is a genus.


These are made up designations that need to be remade without the idea of evolution.

The first of the genetic lineage is the parent of the entire genus. 

Mammals, reptiles, marine, birds all have specific characteristics. Platypus does not fit with any of them, so it has its own genus and designation.  It is simply a Platypus all by itself and needs no other classification.
The reproductive methods of creatures are part of their basic classification. Breathing air, and producing milk is normally a mammal.
Why are you asking such things that have no bearing on the subject.
The subject is that you believe in Evolution, which means you believe that these lines of genus can be crossed, and there is no evidence of this on this earth.

A marine life cannot ever cross over into being a reptile. It violates all that we have in evidence. A reptile never becomes a bird. There is no evidence of this.  You have no idea where that funny looking bird came from, how it became alive, or even if it was alive with any certainty.

All you see is an imprint in some stones.  From there the imagination takes over.  Humans filter what they see by what they believe.  If you have no beliefs, then you stop filtering and just look at what is obvious. Grin
It is an apparent creature that has something that looks like feathers, but there is no way to know what the genetic make up was, or if it was just a genetic experiment from people from another planet.  Maybe it is a joke made by some ancient people who traveled here.  They check in once in a while and have a laugh at human stupidity.
I can just see them now, (not really), looking at that ridiculous mockery of science and laughing there asses off.

This thing is funnier than hell to look at. Realizing that some idiot believers constructed this fake bird out of beliefs and nothing else.

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Reply #7 - Dec 13th, 2009 at 1:02am
 
"How complete is the fossil record? Michael Denton, a medical doctor and biological researcher, writes that "when estimates are made of the percentage of [now-] living forms found as fossils, the percentage turns out to be surprisingly high, suggesting that the fossil record may not be as bad as is often maintained" (Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, 1985, p. 189).

He explains that "of the 329 living families of terrestrial vertebrates [mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians] 261 or 79.1 percent have been found as fossils and, when birds (which are poorly fossilized) are excluded, the percentage rises to 87.8 percent" (Denton, p. 189)."

Basically this shows that fossilization is not rare.  And that with nearly 88% of the non birds vertebrates, we should see these transitional fossils, but we don't. They are the same as they are today in some cases 125 million years mosquito in amber, 70 million years for the opossum with no morphological changes in to a new genus. 50 million for several species including the crocodile.  If 50 million years is not enough time with enough "pressure" to change, then what is? 


Basically, there is no evidence for any evolution at all in the fossil record.  Most of it is messed up by belief and forced categorizing with no DNA.
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Reply #8 - Dec 13th, 2009 at 8:51pm
 
"How complete is the fossil record? Michael Denton, a medical doctor and biological researcher, writes that "when estimates are made of the percentage of [now-] living forms found as fossils, the percentage turns out to be surprisingly high, suggesting that the fossil record may not be as bad as is often maintained" (Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, 1985, p. 189).

He explains that "of the 329 living families of terrestrial vertebrates [mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians] 261 or 79.1 percent have been found as fossils and, when birds (which are poorly fossilized) are excluded, the percentage rises to 87.8 percent" (Denton, p. 189)."

Basically this shows that fossilization is not rare.  And that with nearly 88% of the non birds vertebrates, we should see these transitional fossils, but we don't. They are the same as they are today in some cases 125 million years mosquito in amber, 70 million years for the opossum with no morphological changes in to a new genus. 50 million for several species including the crocodile.  If 50 million years is not enough time with enough "pressure" to change, then what is? 


Basically, there is no evidence for any evolution at all in the fossil record.  Most of it is messed up by belief and forced categorizing with no DNA.


You cannot trust anyone who makes up crap and calls it science.  Since the who fossil record and the "tree of life" is bovine garbage made up fantasy, with no DNA to link old peices of rocks with no organic matter in them, it is against the "rules" of science for these fools to call it evidence or to make any sort of organized chart of these unknown creatures.

Just looking and comparing is not a testable for of science. Without any means to use the "scientific method" on those rock fossils, you have to discard the whole thing as absolute evidence. 

What part of "Not Proven, Don't Believe" is so difficult for you?  As soon as you believe in things that you can't understand, you are religious and not rational.

I did not say "might understand" or "could understand".  I said it is impossible for you to know exactly what any fossil was without scientific evidence that is testable and repeatable.

This makes all believers in Evodelusionism, religious mystical nut jobs who's only understanding comes from brainwashing into a cult religion.



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Reply #9 - Dec 14th, 2009 at 8:13pm
 
oh_noes wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 5:26am:
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 13th, 2009 at 8:51pm:
"How complete is the fossil record? Michael Denton, a medical doctor and biological researcher, writes that "when estimates are made of the percentage of [now-] living forms found as fossils, the percentage turns out to be surprisingly high, suggesting that the fossil record may not be as bad as is often maintained" (Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, 1985, p. 189).

He explains that "of the 329 living families of terrestrial vertebrates [mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians] 261 or 79.1 percent have been found as fossils and, when birds (which are poorly fossilized) are excluded, the percentage rises to 87.8 percent" (Denton, p. 189)."


Ooh, now you have a problem. Now you have some explaining to do. You have offered a quote that concerns "families" of vertebrates.

Familes is a taxonomic classification that is above genus. Therefore, by your own definition, it does not exist.

Oh dear.

If you actually acknowledge this point I will go on to point out that within each family there are numerous geni, and within each genus there are numerous species, meaning that this particular quote simply demonstrates that the vast majority of extant species are not present in the fossil record.

D'oh.

But first, address the reference to family and it's implication for your definition of genus.


Let me get this straight?  You don't comment on the fact that 88% of the creatures now living (non bird) have been found in fossils and they look the same as what we have now. 
That part you missed, but you want me to accept some category program based on ideas that are not provable with no DNA?

I call this selective vision, caused by your "evodelusion glasses" you wear.

How long are you going to hang on to fantasy?
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Reply #10 - Dec 15th, 2009 at 2:18am
 
I did comment on it. It's not my fault you don't understand the paper you quoted.  Let me break it down for you, to be sure you understand precisely why you are wrong.

You suggest that the Denton quote says 88% of creatures now living have been found as fossils. The paper doesn't say that. Doesn't hint at it, doesn't come close to saying it.

Denton discussed terrestrial vertebrates, of which there are four classes. Mammals, Birds, Reptiles and amphibians.

Denton then noted that there are 329 families within these four classes. And he then noted that of those 329 families, 88% of non-bird families have been found fossilised. Let me quote it again, for completeness.

[quote="Denton"]
He explains that "of the 329 living families of terrestrial vertebrates [mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians] 261 or 79.1 percent have been found as fossils and, when birds (which are poorly fossilized) are excluded, the percentage rises to 87.8 percent"
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The key word, and the word that you so clearly overlooked because you don't understand, is family. 88% of the terrestial vertebrate FAMILIES have been found fossilised.

Let's look at what this means, shall we?  In taxonomic classification there are various levels, note where family sits in the ordering

Phylum
Class
Order
Family
Genus
Species

So, what does this tell us. It tells us that on average we have less than 1 fossil per family. How many genera do you suppose there are per family? You're the one who loves genera, you can probably tell me. I'd suggest it's going to be somewhere between 5 and 10 for the most part.

So, what your quote so ably demonstrates to us is that of all the living terrestrial vertebrate genera, excluding birds, comfortably less than 1 in 10 genera have been found fossilised.  When we consider that there can be upwards of 100 species within each genera we note that you sir, have absolutely no f**king clue what that quote says, because it destroys the position you think it supports.

Oh dear. Again.
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Reply #11 - Dec 15th, 2009 at 4:47am
 
Fossilization is so rare that you possibly cannot see evolution in them. The fossils do not show any evolution. You see jumps in the record, and this shows that evolution didn't happen. Quoting names of fossils doesn't make evolution true. You conclude that evolution is true because you think you see a pattern in the fossils, but it is just how our brain works: It seeks patterns. The fossils are rare and they do not show any evolution.
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metha wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 4:47am:
Fossilization is so rare that you possibly cannot see evolution in them. The fossils do not show any evolution. You see jumps in the record, and this shows that evolution didn't happen. Quoting names of fossils doesn't make evolution true. You conclude that evolution is true because you think you see a pattern in the fossils, but it is just how our brain works: It seeks patterns. The fossils are rare and they do not show any evolution.


A sane person has arrived! 

88% of the non-bird fossils of living creatures we have now have been found.  That is not very incomplete. All the fossils look like these creatures now.

The evidence is overwhelming against evolution. Some of these creatures have been around for 125 million (mosquito) years as the same according to the defective radiometric dating.

They have found fish still living, thought to be extinct, that have been fossilized for over 50 million years;  Crocodiles from 50 million years, opossum for 70 million years with the same morphology. The list goes on.

How long does it take for a crocodile to evolve?

In every case there is dead ends and extinction or they are still living but absolutely no evidence for evolution in these fossils.

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Reply #13 - Dec 15th, 2009 at 11:38am
 
Could you kindly critique my post please, noting the reference to families, genus and 88%. It's kinda important.
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They have found fish still living, thought to be extinct, that have been fossilized for over 50 million years;  Crocodiles from 50 million years, opossum for 70 million years with the same morphology. The list goes on.


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