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Re: Because these cowards will not expose their relgious beliefs in public..
Reply #15 - Dec 15th, 2009 at 5:27pm
 
Evolve = change into an entirely new species or genus with totally new features.

Evolution:  "that theory which sees in the history of all things organic and inorganic a development from simplicity to complexity, a gradual advance from a simple or rudimentary condition to one that is more complex and of a higher character."  Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language.
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Reply #16 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 12:29am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 5:27pm:
Evolve = change into an entirely new species or genus with totally new features.


"In biology, evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms through successive generations. Although the changes produced in a single generation are normally small, the accumulation of these differences over time can cause substantial changes in a population, a process that can result in the emergence of new species.[1] Similarities among species suggest that all known species descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) through this process of gradual divergence.[2]"

The almighty wikipedia. And other books, that are more or less related with biology say the same.
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Reply #17 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 1:03am
 
glowingape wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 12:29am:
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 5:27pm:
Evolve = change into an entirely new species or genus with totally new features.


"In biology, evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms through successive generations. Although the changes produced in a single generation are normally small, the accumulation of these differences over time can cause substantial changes in a population, a process that can result in the emergence of new species.[1] Similarities among species suggest that all known species descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) through this process of gradual divergence.[2]"

The almighty wikipedia. And other books, that are more or less related with biology say the same.


Evolution:  "that theory which sees in the history of all things organic and inorganic a development from simplicity to complexity, a gradual advance from a simple or rudimentary condition to one that is more complex and of a higher character."  Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language.

In case you missed all the evidence. There is no evidence of any creature ever changing into a new species with new morphology. There is only a contiual genealogy of creatures with not one ever transforming into a new life form.

DNA shows a constant loss of genes, atrophied genes, genetic disease and a general reduction in fitness of all creatures.

No fish has ever shown to crawl out of the water and become a reptile.  No reptile has ever become a mammal or bird.

It is a total mythology with no evidence.  It is a religion, with magical creatures and mystical causes.

It needs to be removed from our folk lore myths.
No religious crap should be taught in universities or any public school.  Cool
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Reply #18 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 1:41am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 1:03am:
glowingape wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 12:29am:
"In biology, evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms through successive generations. Although the changes produced in a single generation are normally small, the accumulation of these differences over time can cause substantial changes in a population, a process that can result in the emergence of new species.[1] Similarities among species suggest that all known species descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) through this process of gradual divergence.[2]"

The almighty wikipedia. And other books, that are more or less related with biology say the same.


In case you missed all the evidence. There is no evidence of any creature ever changing into a new species with new morphology. There is only a contiual genealogy of creatures with not one ever transforming into a new life form.

No fish has ever shown to crawl out of the water and become a reptile.  No reptile has ever become a mammal or bird.

It is a total mythology with no evidence.  It is a religion, with magical creatures and mystical causes.

It needs to be removed from our folk lore myths.
No religious crap should be taught in universities or any public school.  Cool

Again; Evolution never suggested anything like you've said. It's just change of genetic material over successful generations.

And if you're asking about evidence of "changing morphology", that has "never been observed", here is one quite common: Caterpillars -> Butterfly.
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Reply #19 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 1:46am
 
glowingape wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 1:41am:
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 1:03am:
glowingape wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 12:29am:
"In biology, evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms through successive generations. Although the changes produced in a single generation are normally small, the accumulation of these differences over time can cause substantial changes in a population, a process that can result in the emergence of new species.[1] Similarities among species suggest that all known species descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) through this process of gradual divergence.[2]"

The almighty wikipedia. And other books, that are more or less related with biology say the same.


In case you missed all the evidence. There is no evidence of any creature ever changing into a new species with new morphology. There is only a contiual genealogy of creatures with not one ever transforming into a new life form.

No fish has ever shown to crawl out of the water and become a reptile.  No reptile has ever become a mammal or bird.

It is a total mythology with no evidence.  It is a religion, with magical creatures and mystical causes.

It needs to be removed from our folk lore myths.
No religious crap should be taught in universities or any public school.  Cool

Again; Evolution never suggested anything like you've said. It's just change of genetic material over successful generations.

And if you're asking about evidence of "changing morphology", that has "never been observed", here is one quite common: Caterpillars -> Butterfly.


That is not evidence.  Opinions are not evidence.

There exists only evidence of genetic stability, with minor changes of degradation shown in DNA, until the creature goes extinct.  if the environment changes they cannot survive. That is all there is.  Nothing more, nothing less.

I have studied this for over 40  years and that is all shown in evidence. 
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Reply #20 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 2:12am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 1:46am:
That is not evidence.  Opinions are not evidence.

What "opinions"?
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There exists only evidence of genetic stability, with minor changes until the creature goes extinct.  if the environment changes they cannot survive. That is all there is.  Nothing more, nothing less.

What's this "law of genetic stability" you're talking about? In 30 years of dealing with biology, I haven't heard anything like that...

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I have studied this for over 40  years and that is all shown in evidence. 

If you've studied "this" for 40 years, some knowledge of "this" would show... Whatever "this" is...
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Reply #21 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 2:44am
 
glowingape wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 2:12am:
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 1:46am:
That is not evidence.  Opinions are not evidence.

What "opinions"?
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There exists only evidence of genetic stability, with minor changes until the creature goes extinct.  if the environment changes they cannot survive. That is all there is.  Nothing more, nothing less.

What's this "law of genetic stability" you're talking about? In 30 years of dealing with biology, I haven't heard anything like that...

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I have studied this for over 40  years and that is all shown in evidence. 

If you've studied "this" for 40 years, some knowledge of "this" would show... Whatever "this" is...


Evolution:  "that theory which sees in the history of all things organic and inorganic a development from simplicity to complexity, a gradual advance from a simple or rudimentary condition to one that is more complex and of a higher character."  Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language.

There is no such thing as any form of evolution.  It does not exist on this planet.  I know all the fairy tale belifs and how you got stuck with these ridiculous concepts, but there is no scientific basis for your beliefs.

There is genetic stability until the creature atrophies and dies out.  Once the foundational genetics can no longer support the genetic lineage it goes extinct.

If you want to bring up all the evidence you have, I would gladly show you the logical fallacies in them and why there is  no evidence for evolution.

Here is a chance for you to get free and to be able to remove this limitation from your mind and be able to do something that is real and get the handcuffs of this delusion out of your life.  In other words I am offering you a chance to get free and become a free thinker.
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Reply #22 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 3:18am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 2:44am:
There is no such thing as any form of evolution.  It does not exist on this planet.  I know all the fairy tale belifs and how you got stuck with these ridiculous concepts, but there is no scientific basis for your beliefs.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...
Since you didn't even get the definition of "evolution" correct, how would be even remotely possible for you to refute anything connected to evolution?

You believe that evolution is something, that the definition doesn't even suggest. So yeah. You're strawmaning the definition of evolution.
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Reply #23 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:39am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 5:27pm:
Evolve = change into an entirely new species or genus with totally new features.


YOU'RE a genus!
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Reply #24 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:28am
 
glowingape wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 3:18am:
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 2:44am:
There is no such thing as any form of evolution.  It does not exist on this planet.  I know all the fairy tale belifs and how you got stuck with these ridiculous concepts, but there is no scientific basis for your beliefs.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...
Since you didn't even get the definition of "evolution" correct, how would be even remotely possible for you to refute anything connected to evolution?

You believe that evolution is something, that the definition doesn't even suggest. So yeah. You're strawmaning the definition of evolution.


The argument you are using is the latest defense mechanism for this religious belief in mystical causes, and magical processes.

I have studied this for 40 years and this is what is in the whole of this theory:  I only seek the truth on this matter and nothing else. But I have never seen anything but the laws of genetics in play.

Starting from a "watered down" idea that normal genetics and normal adaptation of creatures is equal to some mass changes over some immense time is not what evolutions dogma is. This is the huge stretch from the actual evidence and the belief.


1/ The Theory of Evolution startes with the idea that life came from no life. That some spontaneous life came from minerals and from some accidental random events. You cannot deny this by classifying it as abiogenesis.  You cannot take parts away and call it a hole system of "scientific" (religious) thought.

2/ That from very small creatures, one cell, all life "evolved" over some immense time with no direction or programming.

3/ That all life forms "evolved" from marine life.  That this marine life eventually "evolved" and decided to grow legs, lungs and breath air and become reptiles.

4/ That these fish-reptiles eventually evolved into mammals and birds.

5/ That speciation some how proves "1" through "4", when the only evidence is a genealogy within the genus and no lizard has become anything but another lizard, but because the lizard or any creature has changed or adapted is projected out to some imaginary transformation with no physical evidence.  No bird has become anything other than a bird. That no bacteria has become anything but bacteria.  The small horse eventually becomes a large horse and the breeds all came from the small horse. This does not show any evolution into any other creatures or genus.

6/ That the inference of the changes in the DNA between generations somehow proves evolution, when with each generation in the last 70 million years of creatures that still exist, there have been no mutations that show any changes to any species beyond simple adaptions to the environment. 

7/ The finale premises of evolution is that creatures can violate the laws of genetics by "magical thinking" and turn into an entirely new species and genus.   I have yet to see any evidence of that.

    

The best thing a person can do is to regain their natural objective perspective that they are born with and give up all the brainwashing you have gotten along the way.  It is a simple thing to step back and go over each and every belief that has been shoved down your figurative throat by the people who love you, your friends, family, parents, teachers, preachers and get away from it as far as you can.
Realizing that it is all the folly of human beings and not to be taken as truth.  There is no truth until is is absolutely proven to you.  If you have no absolute evidence, then don't believe any of it. How can you not understand this?
It is obvious.

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." Albert Einstein"

"A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be."
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You must find your own truth far away from all the brainwashing.

By the way aerodynamics,physics, chemistry, electronics, atomic theory (and laws), most science has science in it, but evolution is a religion with no merit.  Evolution is a religion BS by clear definition of relying only on faith and belief. There is not a tiny bit of reality in it except for the normal common everyday genetics, which shows clearly that evolution is not possible.
The only part that is real is genetics.  But this belief has grossly screwed up genetics and the drug supply with toxic and neuro toxic drugs, being sold as prescriptions.

The really intelligent people, are not going to go to university and get a degree in religious bovine garbage.  So we have the lowest common denominator in the education system of people willing to give up all logic and reason to get a paycheck.

We are creating a world of nitwits and chemical zombies with this crap religion.   It needs to stop being taught because all religious bovine garbage should not be included in science.
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Reply #25 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:13am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:28am:
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I only seek the truth on this matter and nothing else. But I have never seen anything but the laws of genetics in play.

Reference them please, link to the science, show me where they are listed.

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1/ The Theory of Evolution startes with the idea that life came from no life.


Wrong, try again.

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That some spontaneous life came from minerals and from some accidental random events.

Wrong, try again.

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You cannot deny this by classifying it as abiogenesis.


Wrong, try again.

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2/ That from very small creatures, one cell, all life "evolved" over some immense time with no direction or programming.


No destination, but direction is provided by natural selection.

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3/ That all life forms "evolved" from marine life.  That this marine life eventually "evolved" and decided to grow legs, lungs and breath air and become reptiles.


Wrong, try again.

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4/ That these fish-reptiles eventually evolved into mammals and birds.


Yep, that's about right.

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5/ That speciation some how proves "1" through "4"

Since 1-3 are not part of evolutionary theory, 5 fails.

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when the only evidence is a genealogy within the genus

Your definition of genus is actually the definition of clade. This statement holds true within clades, but since Eukaryote is a clade it refutes your position entirely.

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and no lizard has become anything but another lizard, but because the lizard or any creature has changed or adapted is projected out to some imaginary transformation with no physical evidence.

Wrong, try again.

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  No bird has become anything other than a bird.

Hey look at that, you got something right. Wow.

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That no bacteria has become anything but bacteria.

Wrong, try again.

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  The small horse eventually becomes a large horse and the breeds all came from the small horse. This does not show any evolution into any other creatures or genus.


Word salad, irrelevant.

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6/ That the inference of the changes in the DNA between generations somehow proves evolution


It is evolution, that's the name given to it.

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When with each generation in the last 70 million years of creatures that still exist, there have been no mutations that show any changes to any species beyond simple adaptions to the environment.

Nearly. For 3.5 billion years there are no mutations that show changes to any spcies beyond simple adaptation to the environment. Now you're onto something. 

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7/ The finale premises of evolution is that creatures can violate the laws of genetics by "magical thinking" and turn into an entirely new species and genus.


Wrong, try again.

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   I have yet to see any evidence of that.

Good, since it would violate evolutionary theory.



So, it would seem you continue to argue against a straw man. Look, none of the nonsense above has anything to do with evolutionary theory, and nothing to do with anything I accept. So why do you continue to argue against a straw man?



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Reply #26 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:22am
 
metha wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:39am:
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 5:27pm:
Evolve = change into an entirely new species or genus with totally new features.


YOU'RE a genus!


Oops, sorry, I meant genius.


oh_noes seems like an intelligent person, so why he falls for this evolution thing is beyond me.
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Reply #27 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 11:15am
 
metha wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:22am:
Oops, sorry, I meant genius.


oh_noes seems like an intelligent person, so why he falls for this evolution thing is beyond me.

I would blame pesky things called evidence.

And um... Which paper states, that "Evolve = change into an entirely new species or genus with totally new features."?
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Reply #28 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 12:05pm
 
metha wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:22am:
metha wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:39am:
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 5:27pm:
Evolve = change into an entirely new species or genus with totally new features.


YOU'RE a genus!


Oops, sorry, I meant genius.


oh_noes seems like an intelligent person, so why he falls for this evolution thing is beyond me.



It is a cultural thing in the UK.  The pressure to conform is intense.  You are considered to be "ignorant" if you don't believe in the religion of Evodelusionism.

They are spoon fed ideas that develop belief.

Watch my three videos on this.  It goes in detail on how people surrender up their objective reasoning to family, culture, and icons of society.

I tried to make these videos as simple as possible to get past these delusions imposed on children.





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Reply #29 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 12:12pm
 
Maybe it is cultural, yes. I didn't know he was british. For me evolution is an attack on God. I guess you are not happy with me mentioning God in this forum, as I have seen that you share oh_noes view on that, but nevertheless, evolution is nothing but an attempt to remove God from the world view.
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