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A challenge for GoodScience
Feb 17th, 2010 at 10:44am
 
So what's with all this nonsense about absolute truth?

As far as I can tell, having read this forum for a bit, GoodScience wants absolute proof of evolution, which is impossible. If he really were a scientist like he claims, he'd know this. There are NO absolutes.

He says that he only trusts things that are absolutely proven.

Oi, GoodScience, why is it that when people show you that your definitions of terms you use to justify your statements are ABSOLUTELY incorrect?

Oh, I know that you say that scientists have actively changed the definitions of them, but where is you ABSOLUTE proof of this?
Please, bring your ABSOLUTE evidence of this.

You don't have any? Wha? But you only trust what is ABSOLUTELY true...

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Let's have a look at some words you dispute the meaning of...

Mutation
Determinism
Neutral
Religion
Science
Theory

So, just with these few examples, can you give your members the evidence that these words have been changed to suit the filthy scientists? Remember, it has to be ABSOLUTE proof. Nothing else will do.

I await your response. Should you post ANYTHING except ABSOLUTE proof of the above, I will repeat the question until you do.
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Re: A challenge for GoodScience
Reply #1 - Feb 17th, 2010 at 11:56am
 
Iwannagetfreakywithyou wrote on Feb 17th, 2010 at 10:44am:
So what's with all this nonsense about absolute truth?

As far as I can tell, having read this forum for a bit, GoodScience wants absolute proof of evolution, which is impossible. If he really were a scientist like he claims, he'd know this. There are NO absolutes.

He says that he only trusts things that are absolutely proven.

Oi, GoodScience, why is it that when people show you that your definitions of terms you use to justify your statements are ABSOLUTELY incorrect?

Oh, I know that you say that scientists have actively changed the definitions of them, but where is you ABSOLUTE proof of this?
Please, bring your ABSOLUTE evidence of this.

You don't have any? Wha? But you only trust what is ABSOLUTELY true...

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Let's have a look at some words you dispute the meaning of...

Mutation
Determinism
Neutral
Religion
Science
Theory

So, just with these few examples, can you give your members the evidence that these words have been changed to suit the filthy scientists? Remember, it has to be ABSOLUTE proof. Nothing else will do.

I await your response. Should you post ANYTHING except ABSOLUTE proof of the above, I will repeat the question until you do.


It would be good if you actually read and also actually understood what I wrote, instead of your dumb ass Straw Man nonsense.

I don't want absolute proof. I want absolute evidence.
That simply means that the "evidence" is absolutely clear and needs no interpretation by "experts" (brainwashed nonsense artists). 

When people are brainwashed in to a religious belief, they don't even understand what evidence is. They just accept what the authority indoctrinates them with, as you, obviously. 

You are obvious evidence of brainwashing, because you don't understand any pure logic and reason, and you interpret my pure logic and reason with your fuked up beliefs.

If you don't understand what absolute evidence is I will explain it to you by example:

Drop a ball it goes down to the earth every time. This never fails.

Go stand on a really tall building. Then jump off to the ground onto a concrete sidewalk and see what gravity does to you.  This is a good demonstration of the real laws of physics and absolute evidence.

Take a cigarette lighter, light it and put it on the bottom of your bare foot, right in the middle.  Hold it there for a couple of minutes. You may need to have help with this, like having your hands tied behind you and strapped on a table. This is absolute evidence of what a gas flame does to flesh. 

You have been taught out of understanding what real evidence is. It is not some fairytale about nonexistent  "random mutations" or violating young people's minds with bovine feculence like that.   All of the mutilation of scientific terms over the years to fit your idiotic belief.

All of the destroyed, manipulated, specimens from brainwashed paleontologists (a pseudo science) who's only goal is to fulfill their brainwashed fantasy. These, pseudo scientists, literally, have destroyed any possibility of finding out what really happened.  When you have brainwashed, delusional believers in charge, it is the same as having the "wolf" in charge of the chicken house.  That is fact.

As soon as you take on forced indoctrination and stop thinking for yourself and believe brainwashed beliefs, you are no longer rational and not to be trusted with anything, especially young children's minds.  You become and "Evotard".  That means a low IQ weak willed, believer in nonsense, whom is incapable of discerning anything about life, because that ability has been taken from you.

You let these delusional people with mass hysteria take your mind from you.

Take a look at this photo and tell me this isn't absolute evidence of the power and destruction of atomic bombs.



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Re: A challenge for GoodScience
Reply #2 - Feb 17th, 2010 at 1:31pm
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 17th, 2010 at 11:56am:
If you don't understand what absolute evidence is I will explain it to you by example:


Ooh, this aught to be good...

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 17th, 2010 at 11:56am:
Drop a ball it goes down to the earth every time. This never fails.


False. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZLl3XwlAIE

At 0:54 you can see Alan Shepard drop a ball, and it quite clearly goes to the surface of the Moon, not to the Earth.

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 17th, 2010 at 11:56am:
Take a look at this photo and tell me this isn't absolute evidence of the power and destruction of atomic bombs.


It's not. There is no evidence in that photo to indicate that an atomic bomb was the cause of the damage to that individual. Additional information is required from other sources to come to the conclusion that the radiation from an atomic bomb causes damage to living tissues.

You have no idea what absolute evidence is, and wouldn't recognize it if it landed on you after being thrown from the roof of a tall building.
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Re: A challenge for GoodScience
Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 5:37am
 
Iwannagetfreakywithyou wrote on Feb 17th, 2010 at 10:44am:
So what's with all this nonsense about absolute truth?

As far as I can tell, having read this forum for a bit, GoodScience wants absolute evidence of evolution, which is impossible. If he really were a scientist like he claims, he'd know this. There are NO absolutes.

He says that he only trusts things that are absolutely proven.

Oi, GoodScience, why is it that when people show you that your definitions of terms you use to justify your statements are ABSOLUTELY incorrect?

Oh, I know that you say that scientists have actively changed the definitions of them, but where is you ABSOLUTE evidence of this?
Please, bring your ABSOLUTE evidence of this.

You don't have any? Wha? But you only trust what is ABSOLUTELY true...

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Let's have a look at some words you dispute the meaning of...

Mutation
Determinism
Neutral
Religion
Science
Theory

So, just with these few examples, can you give your members the evidence that these words have been changed to suit the filthy scientists? Remember, it has to be ABSOLUTE evidence. Nothing else will do.

I await your response. Should you post ANYTHING except ABSOLUTE evidence of the above, I will repeat the question until you do.


Fixed. You can answer the question without any distractions. I don't care about your opinion on evolution in this thread, its purpose is for you to answer a single question. Answer this question without your usual feculence.

Just so it's ABSOLUTELY clear, the question is You say that scientists have actively changed the definitions of these words, but where is you ABSOLUTE evidence of this?

Now, answer this question.

Answer the question, GoodScience.
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Re: A challenge for GoodScience
Reply #4 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 5:40am
 
Also, it's not a strawman argument because the question in the thread is as I've stated in the post above, nothing to do with evolution or your opinions on that subject. You claim that scientists have changed the meaning of these words, show us the absolute evidence of this.
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Reply #5 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 10:22am
 
Iwannagetspeakywithyou wrote on Feb 20th, 2010 at 5:40am:
Also, it's not a strawman argument because the question in the thread is as I've stated in the post above, nothing to do with evolution or your opinions on that subject. You claim that scientists have changed the meaning of these words, show us the absolute evidence of this.



I have been a scientist for over 45 years.  I witnessed this happening.  Why don't you wake up from your delusional trust in these weak humans?
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Reply #6 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 12:03pm
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 20th, 2010 at 10:22am:
Iwannagetspeakywithyou wrote on Feb 20th, 2010 at 5:40am:
Also, it's not a strawman argument because the question in the thread is as I've stated in the post above, nothing to do with evolution or your opinions on that subject. You claim that scientists have changed the meaning of these words, show us the absolute evidence of this.



I have been a scientist for over 45 years.  I witnessed this happening.  Why don't you wake up from your delusional trust in these weak humans?



You claim that scientists have changed the meaning of these words, show us the absolute evidence of this!!!

Try just once!
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Reply #7 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 6:03am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 20th, 2010 at 10:22am:
Iwannagetspeakywithyou wrote on Feb 20th, 2010 at 5:40am:
Also, it's not a strawman argument because the question in the thread is as I've stated in the post above, nothing to do with evolution or your opinions on that subject. You claim that scientists have changed the meaning of these words, show us the absolute evidence of this.



I have been a scientist for over 45 years.  I witnessed this happening.  Why don't you wake up from your delusional trust in these weak humans?


Lol so you are one of the people (scientists) who have been changing words in the dictionary? I know that's true...

In all seriousness now, I don't care if you call yourself a scientist nor what you think of any other 'weak humans'. This thread does NOT deal with any of those issues, stick to the topic; I want you to answer the question.

Saying you've witnessed it happening means ABSOLUTELY nothing to me, and as a "scientist" who regards ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE as fundamental, you should have no problems putting this evidence forward. You were, and are, absolutely certain that they have changed these words to suit their 'agenda'; show us the evidence of this.
I, and everyone else, want you to show
ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE
that scientists have changed the definitions of the words above.

The validity of your credibility HINGES on this.

Let's just have a quick peep at some of your statements

"Truth indeed rather alleviates than hurts, and will always bear up against falsehood, as oil does above water."Miguel de Cervantes

"Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but, in the end, there it is." Sir Winston Churchill

"Truth is the secret of eloquence and of virtue, the basis of moral authority; it is the highest summit of art and of life." Henri Frederic Amiel


"Truthfulness is the main element of character." Brian Tracy

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

"If you want the truth, start with small truths and never lie to anyone. If you can do that and not fail, you will find the truth on everything."  James Arjuna

"When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow."
Anais Nin

"Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true." The Buddha paraphrase

This is how I live my life.  It is a good way to live. You should try it.

If you never utter a lie, then you must be absolutely sure if what you are saying is truth.


Now, please DO NOT respond to any of the quotes above, they are only here to illustrate your own beliefs with respect to your faith in truth and honesty, and to add focus to the question being asked of you.

Please answer the question and post the evidence you have, because you must be absolutely sure that what you say is the truth if you are to never utter a lie.
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Reply #8 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:13pm
 
You are confused as most Evodelusionist are.

You do not know the difference between opinion and evidence.

You do not understand what real knowledge is.

Real knowledge only goes with what we know as objective fact that cannot be refuted.
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Reply #9 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:18pm
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:13pm:
You are confused as most Evodelusionist are.

You do not know the difference between opinion and evidence.


That claim is unsupported by the previous posts. OP is asking for facts to back up your opinion that the definitions of those words have been changed by scientists. Seems that you are the one who has fact and opinion backwards on this one...

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:13pm:
Real knowledge only goes with what we know as fact that cannot be refuted.


So show us the irrefutable facts to prove that the definitions of those words have been changed by scientists?
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Reply #10 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:37pm
 
RealScienceForMe wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:18pm:
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:13pm:
You are confuses as most Evodelusionist are.

You do not know the difference between opinion and evidence.




That claim is unsupported by the previous posts. OP is asking for facts to back up your opinion that the definitions of those words have been changed by scientists. Seems that you are the one who has fact and opinion backwards on this one...

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:13pm:
Real knowledge only goes with what we know as fact that cannot be refuted.


So show us the irrefutable facts to prove that the definitions of those words have been changed by scientists?


You, weak delusional human. You doubt my integrity.  I was there.
How old are you, punk ass Evodelusionist; Evotard?
You insult my integrity you are asking for my evaluation of your condition of mind and showing more how delusional and brainwashed you are.

When I took real math classes, random was only considered in very abstract math and was not considered to be possible to attain in physical matter or even in calculations of energy math as in computers, electronics, gravity, momentum and real science. This is why there is a false "random" used in computers that every computer scientists understands. There is no such thing as "random" in the universe, because it violates "cause and effect" which is THE FOUNDATION OF SCIENCE; the first law of science.

The original term "Mutation" referred to some screwed up chromosomes. This was the standard in genetics for as long as they studied this subject. When nonsense artists decided they wanted to destroy foundational scientific definitions to match their delusional beliefs they got away with it. 

Anyone who is opposed to the truth about this nonsense is the enemy of science.  That is what you are.

All people who believe in Evolution are the enemies of real science. 
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Reply #11 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 10:07pm
 
Since there is no irrefutable, absolutely real evidence for evolution, there is no reason to give it any energy or even a fart's worth of you time.

Go back and read the original post, until you understand.

It is a hard one for dumb ass believers to get.
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Reply #12 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 4:49am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 10:07pm:
Since there is no irrefutable, absolutely real evidence for evolution, there is no reason to give it any energy or even a fart's worth of you time.


Then why are you here fighting so hard against it?

GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 10:12pm:
It is a hard one for dumb ass believers to get.


What many of us are not getting is that you have so completely deluded yourself that it's really not worth our time arguing against you. Your ideas are so ridiculous that the chances of them gaining any ground in the scientific world or in the legal world are practically nil. Me, I'm sticking around for the entertainment value - you're quite a trip, kinda like watching a train wreck. Too painful to keep watching, and yet I can't wait to see what nonsense is gonna come out of your mouth next!
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Reply #13 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 5:36am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 10:07pm:
Since there is no irrefutable, absolutely real evidence for evolution, there is no reason to give it any energy or even a fart's worth of you time.


See, this is where you mess up - We're talking about the manipulation of words, not the theory of evolution; that will come later once we've sorted out these FUNDAMENTAL claims.
How can I trust what you say about ToE, when you can't even tell me where your own evidence comes from? Not only that, you don't even attempt to justify your claims despite requiring this of everyone else on this board and resort to dismissing it out of hand as if it doesn't matter. It's vital - If the words have been manipulated, you should be able to show us where and when this was done. If they haven't, all of your theories are suspect.
You claim to be a teacher, but you resort back to the banal statement about no truth in evolution when confronted with a dispute over your own claims. Instead of validating your ideas, you show them to be risible.

What I asked for is simply where you got your information from (why you find this insulting is perplexing, yet telling) and instead of answering and giving the evidence, like you expect the proponents of evolution to do, you resort to more obfuscation. Why is that?

You state that the words in the first post have been manipulated and changed, yet you provide NO evidence whatsoever, in fact you have SPECIFICALLY avoided giving us the evidence of the manipulation, despite your claims to be the one of the *only* honest scientists.
Without this evidence, you have no credibility. Do you see?

I haven't disputed your theories yet, only asked for the data you have pertaining to the changes you claim happened - why won't you answer?

As I see it, there are only two reasons:
1) You have no evidence (irrefutable or otherwise) and you only have an opinion, which destroys many, if not all, of your other claims or
2) The evidence you have would not stand up to even the the lightest of scrutiny, which destroys your claims of said changes and makes you a, if not a liar, an untrustworthy source.

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Go back and read the original post, until you understand.


My ability to understand seems to greatly exceed your own, so I think YOU need to read the original post and give me some evidence to show that you are not just making this stuff up as you go along.

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It is a hard one for dumb ass believers to get.


No, it's not - so far you have made claims that are unsubstantiated (something you take great pleasure in accusing others of) and you offer nothing whatsoever to back them up. If you cannot show where and when these words were changed or manipulated, they MUST have ONLY their original definitions, in which case all of your theories are bunk because you've made the concept fundamental to your ideology. It's not my fault you can't think on your feet.

Now, with all that said, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt; take some time and collect the evidence you claim exists (without anecdotes from your childhood or any bovine feculence or opinions) and I will review it.

I'm nothing, if not fair.
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Reply #14 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 11:33am
 
All of the evidence I have looked at comes from normal science sources.  All of them are based on belief first and nothing they discuss in the papers pertain to the evidence, when they use the word evolution.  It is like they randomly attach the word "evolution" to all biology papers for no reasons, because there is none. Nothing in any of these papers suggests evolution as real.

If you have any irrefutable evidence that has no alternate plausibilities, where is it?


It is up to you to show why you believe in evolution, because I say there is no evidence after 41 years of study on this.  I don't have to produce "non evidence" because none exists.  Understand?

You don't understand logic.

The lack of evidence is the lack of evidence.
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