ProofMan wrote on Apr 5th, 2011 at 1:53am:Ok on a more serious note:
You argue there is no Evolution on De-Evolution.
I wish to argue that what you are calling De-Evolution IS Evolution.
You say that you have seen that the human race is de-evolving from a more powerful specimen to a weaker one with a loss of DNA.
Question 1: Am I correct so far ?(from what I have read of yours, I am afraid I am at work currently so do not have time to flick back).
So if what I have read from you so far is correct then I wish to argue that this is Evolution to a more refined state.
We are gradually becoming less powerful with thinner bone and skull structure due to our progressive brain development.
As our intellect has increased our use of tools and weapons has developed. This means that with the use of weapons the weaker members of the primitive society were able to hold their ground and become adequate hunters and survivors thus meaning the genes for the less powerful structure and the weaker bone was passed down.
With todays tools and weaponry or even that available during the renaissance the puniest and most asthmatic of men would have had a “field leveller” meaning that they were able to compete with the biggest and strongest thus it was now those weaker individuals who were able to survive and probably more-so if their intellect was higher.
Question 2: Have you understood what I am trying to explain? I don’t mean this question in any malice or derogatory way I just wish to ensure my point is clear.
I look forward to your response and hope it is more in keeping with what I have suggested and discusses these points properly in a valid and scientific way rather than other replies I have seen where there was no discussion just child-like name calling between parties and denial without true cause.
Thank you
This is the original definition based on the actual etymology of the word.
Evotards will take scientific terms and make them fit with the religious beliefs.
This is the ONLY real definition of evolution. Anything else is religious crap dogma.
Evolution: "that theory which sees in the history of all things organic and inorganic a development from simplicity to complexity, a gradual advance from a simple or rudimentary condition to one that is more complex and of a higher character." Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language. ( I have this book.)
Your statement is not factual nor scientific at all it is wishful thinking. Humans would love to think they are evolving to a better smarter species, but there is no evidence of that.
"We are gradually becoming less powerful with thinner bone and skull structure due to our progressive brain development."
The capacity of a brain for information and understanding as well as being aware of science is not pre-required to be used but to exist in the first place. Capacity is not knowledge.
If you take a genius human and lock them up with no books, no verbal communication and just feed them and hose them off when they are dirty, then the capacity is still there, but it has not been used.
The Herto, is evidence of a superior cranial capacity. You will not find many Evotards referring to the Herto, because it destroys the religion.
If you disregard the ridiculous methods that paleontologist use to date things and how badly they perform any calibration on any part of this, you will realize they are full of crap when it comes to the dating. There is absolutely no way to verify any of their data. PERIOD. It is horrible use of assumptions and manipulated data. They keep on searching the ground until they find the oldest radioactive elements.
Realizing that all we have are extremely poorly dated fossils that we have no idea how old they are, will help you a lot. There are some ideas you can use from DNA really to show the reduction. It is like a historical map of genetic degradation.
Realizing that in all the DNA we have examined so far we see ONLY losses of genetic functions, atrophy, atavisms, and mutations that cause poor weak cell replication, diseases. We have so many "new" diseases in the last century that have never been seen before.
The fact that chimps, gorillas, orangutans, have lost so much brain capacity as is shown in the DNA comparisons of humans to chimps is evidence of this. They lost cranial size and brain functions as the proteans are lost and gone forever. I hypothesize it was from living near volcanoes and lots of radioactive minerals. The Macaque monkey loves to bath in radioactive volcanic pools.
Pretty much all of the "hominids" are "retarded humans" and are dated horribly by the radiometric dating and other assumptions.
Take the skulls of the Herto, Human, Homo Erectus, Ergaster, Chimp. Gorilla, orangutan and Macaque monkey.
Place them in order of crainal distortion and you will see nothing but de-evolution from a larger brain capacity to smaller. Humans are still a little larger but smaller crainium than Herto.
Chimpanzee, gorilla, orangutan, Macaqua are all much younger than humans. The fact that we have so few specimins shows this. There is only one set of Chimp teeth fossils, much younger than Herto as best as we can date. The Gorilla is much younger than humans, so is the orangutan, and Macaqua monkey. They have some serious DNA evidence of very close ties to our super-species ancestors.
All of them have the apparent skull remnants of the Herto.
The gorilla has a protrusion left where the skull was at one time rounded.
The original human species was far more fit, had a larger brain capacity, stronger thinker bones and much more dense muscle tissue. The chimp shows this as it is much stronger than a human now, retaining that protean in a much stronger form.
As we de-evolved from fit to the degenerates we are today, it is rare and a freak to find any real intelligence that is objective and capable of studying all that we have to offer and realizing what is going on.
The original human had a much more adaptive skin and had the ability to go very dark as needed in pigment. It had the ability to grow hair for warmth. The idea of hairy bodies would make sense prior to living in warm only climates and having clothing and shelter.
We did no evolve from a subspecies. We have all de-evolved from a superior design to a frail and now pretty stupid species. There was a super-species of human prior to what we have now.
We are still killing each other, finding new ways to destroy the planet, oblivious to anything that is obvious, and are so wrapped up in survival issues still. It is rare to find real intelligence.
We have millions of people and children going to bed hungry every night. We kill and maim each other in the name of God.
We destroy the human genome in the name of "medicines" that screw up cell reproduction.
We constantly radiate our brains with various frequencies of radiation that we never had in nature.
We eat crap foods out of ignorance and laziness.
We don't have the capacity to understand basic physics. Instead we make up idiotic ideas that science doesn't need a cause. WTF is that about.
Our schools are producing dysfunctional, hateful, people. They are so confused and filled with conflicting data it is a wonder they can wipe themselves at all. The lowest common denominator is the norm, to be "politically correct" we must not have any people who excel. If we do we make them into freaks.
How can a scientist call themselves scientists when they remove "cause" from science? There is no science without cause and effect. PERIOD. Just because they are so weak minded they can't even attempt to find the cause, is no reason to pull the random card out of their asses and say with "authority" this is a random cause?
There is nothing on this planet without cause.
Some things to ponder.
Often the things that give us the most comfort and even feed us, are the things that are destroying our genome.
Look at these guys.