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Nov 29th, 2009 at 1:23pm
 
I do not have a religion and I have studied science for over 47 years. 

I have studied "The Theory Of Evolution for over 40 years.  What I know is this  God =Truth.  Science = Seeking Truth.
If God does not equal truth then it is a false God.  There is no religion higher than the truth.  If science is not seeking the absolute truth, then it is not science.

In any religious idea, you will always find the laws of physics violated. This is one of the earmarks of a religious dogma used in science and religion.  There is no magical or mystical causes in real science.  There is no use for religious beliefs in science.  There is no need for projection of belief in science. Science = Life as it really is = Truth

If you are religious and you really want God's truth, then it is also in real science.  Because God's truth IS in real science. It is the only Truth and cannot be reduced to mental masturbations.  If you examine some science and realize it is actually a pseudo science, based on mystical beliefs,  then you can stop worrying about it and teach your children real science, with out the mystical crap in pseudo science. Teach only what you know to be absolutely proven to you. If you are sane, you would not teach religious human emotional garbage to your children in any form including religious crap being pawned off as "science".

There is nothing bad about seeking the truth.  Only good comes from the truth.  It is a common misconception that when you find the truth you will be ashamed of yourself or how imperfect you are or other such crap.  With each delusion you let go of, you become much more free and your intelligence goes up. I am a living example of this. It is up to you to give it a try.

If you are not seeking to find the truth in your life in all areas, then you are seeking to perpetuate your beliefs, other people's messed up beliefs, fantasies, and avoid the truth, because you are fearful of it. 

If you think you have found the truth and you have never looked beyond the sources of your "education" then you are a fraud.
 

A true seeker of truth is not weak and fearful so much so as to not be able to look beyond what they deeply believe to find what is real.  It may seem like it would be painful to give up your beliefs in nonsense, but it isn't.  Most Evodelusionists and religious fanatics are cowards to examine themselves and their beliefs, because beliefs are based on instinctual feelings that you attach your mind to.  If you want to find the truth then put your beliefs to the test of real science, not some made up crap by humans who are controlled by fear.  Anyone who says they have no fears is dead and can't speak.  People who know some of the truth and seek only the truth, have far less fear. Only people who know the absolute truth can have no fear.

You need to think on these things.

If you are a true scientist, and an Atheist, then you would also want the truth and not some religious belief in your science, disguised as science.  You do not need to be afraid of the truth, either. This crap has absolutely nothing to do with atheism. You do not need some messed up religion in atheism. This is why this is the neutral zone for understanding and communications. If atheism is real, it will be revealed to you in time by following the truth and not make up things from belief.


You do not have to fill in the blanks with belief ever.  There is no need for a screwed up religious beliefs to ever be in science because you are too ignorant to realize that you have nothing but belief projected on evidence. 

You must, personally, test the truth in all things or you are not a real believer in Science, Truth or God.  You missed this somewhere or it was taught out of you mind by some religious or political indoctrinated belief system.  It is known as brainwashing.

You do not need any alternative theory on life and science, if the one you have is unproven nonsense. The idea that you need some theory to explain something you can never know anything about, cannot ever test with the scientific method with the science tools we have now, is  ridiculous and a sign of mental problems.  It is utter human weakness to make up crap and call it science.

Never let others tell you how to approach the truth.  If you instinctual need is for absolute evidence, then why would you take on inferences, slogans, and forgetting to go from one logical step to the other.

The truth on any real evidence is that all evidence points to the same thing, without fail.  There is no incongruence in the truth on any scientific premise.  The premise is either true, or it is not proven and worthless human emotional mental garbage and not to be taken on or accepted as any form of knowledge.

How do you know if it is science or religious make believe?
You set up rules for yourself to protect yourself from religious pseudo science.

1/ Rule of science: In every event, action, reaction, chemical reaction, energy movement, even the thoughts that transpired at any time, have an exact and absolute truth as to what happened. This is the objective truth in and of the matter.  This is what people are afraid of, so they make up stories to fill in where they don't know. If you avoid this understanding then you are ignorant.  This is what a real scientist or believer in God, or human being does is to seek this truth and not be afraid of what they find.

The basic meaning of ignorance is the avoidance of the Truth.  If you only go with what makes you feel good, avoids humiliation, or what you have been taught to believe by authority, then you are lazy and weak believer. "You would not make a pimple on a real scientists ass", as my father used to say. 

In 100% of all the papers I have read on Evolutoin, there is no evidence for evolution. NONE!  All the evidence points to one thing and all the evidence is conclusive of one thing and only this:
Creatures come on this earth,we don't have a clue how and may not ever know this.
They do not evolve into any new creatures, but do adapt to survive only. That is all there is folks. There is no evidence of anything else.  I have looked at all the evidence that is considered to "suggest" evolution and it is not evidence at all for evolution.

2/ Never accept authority because others accept this authority.  It doesn't matter who they are. You find the truth for yourself.  No real authority operating from truth would tell you that they are the only source of truth. They are never fearful of any investigation of their truth.

3/ If you are too low IQ to understand what they are teaching you, then admit it (Duh!). It is OK ("Man's gotta know their limitations" Dirty Harry), and still don't trust them and never believe them. You cannot believe people just because of their position in society and you are too low IQ to figure it out.  (This is the BS axiom of most religious BS, and Science BS. "The high priests are the only ones who know the truth, and I must trust them because I am too stupid to understand.")

If you hear someone tell you that "the greatests minds of our time all belive in evolution, and that is thier reason for believing, then you need to get away from them, until they acutally can answer this question:  "Where is your absolute evidence for evolution, that is physical, objective, irrefutable and has NO opinions from "these nitwit, greatest minds"?"  Opinions are not evidence, yet that is all that is shown in the "theory of evolution", which is a fantasy religion.

You can simply not believe because you can't understand, rather than accept human authority.  How many humans have you met that are completely stable, completely honest, completely pure of heart with no agendas in their being?   How many people do you know that have agendas based on their prejudices, indoctrination, and beliefs?  (All of them, except for the geniuses who are outside of the tiny boxes of society, the seekers of truth.)

There are many people I have run across on the internet who claim to be scientists but don't know the first thing about logic, reason, math, physics nor do they understand that you cannot do #4 in this list.  They use what is called sideways logic to work around the laws of science in order to perpetuate beliefs.

4/ If you see that this "science" only argues with religious people, in court and in public, then you know it is a religion and has no actual proven facts. If it was absolutely true, proven beyond all doubts to all of mankind, there is no arguments.  The absolute truth cannot be argued because it is self evident.So, you know they are making up "things", if it isn't absolutely self evident.

5 / Absolute Rule: any science which is constantly violating the laws of science (physics) and or mathematics is religious and basically pseudo science.

6/ Evidence must be factual, have physical proof (absolutely irrefutable evidence with no other plausibility) and uses only the scientific method to get the results.  If it violates using the scientific methods of testing and now this means it needs millions of test to be considered to be fact. (I have never seen the real scientific method used in the theory of evolution.)

7/ Opinions that are based on other expert opinions, based on further opinions, on and on,  is not science, it is a religion passed down from one "expert" to the next.  If it is based on absolute evidence then we don't need no "stinking expert opinions" because it is self evident.

8/ There can be no contradictions in any evidence in order to have it be even considered as evidence.  One obvious contradiction voids the belief. You don't need any more. If it is true, it is always true and can never be contradicted by evidence or any other logic and plausibility that follows the evidence.

9/ There can be no contradictions in the methods or the tools used to test; no assumptions are allowed.  All of the evidence must fit perfectly. If it does not fit perfectly, that is a sign of improper use of the scientific method. Contradictions are a sign of religious, mystical, or mythological, beliefs being imposed on evidence. Do not ever eliminate a way of analyzing any evidence, because of your prejudices, so you don't force belief on the evidence.

10/ If it doesn't follow the evidence then it is not science, but belief.  If there is nothing to base the "conclusion" on other than belief it is garbage.

11/ When they tell you that the only "truth" is their "truth" and it is only those who have been taught by them who can teach, and they teach you to never look outside of their truth, it is a religious cult.  No one has the right to spoon feed you their "truth", and tell you not to seek to verify it.  If you don't verify it far away from the believers, you are not a scientist, but a cult member with blinders on.

12/ Assumptions are NEVER science or truth. You cannot go from A to D by faith and belief.  You must go from A-B-C-D-E....In logical and obvious steps proving each premise as you go as being absolutely true in all testing from all ways of attacking the evidence.

13/ If each premise has no absolute testing, and has no absolute proof then each is not proven and to be discarded as evidence, until it can be proven absolutely.  Just because someone is repeating what they believe to be true over and over, is not science, but is a religion.

14/ If you leave out any way to test any scientific evidence, or any scientific theory, then it is religion and not science. A real scientist never overlooks anyway of testing because of a belief that blocks scientific inquiry.  Beliefs destroy all scientific inquiry and invalidate all scientists as having no objectivity. Belief with out evidence is religion and not science.

15/ If you believe some idea and you are a scientist, you must be able to put aside your beliefs as if they do not exist and test by other ideas.  (When have you ever seen this in the Evodelusion religion?)

16/ Humans are extremely flawed and limited.  If you put your faith in humanity, historically you will be disappointed, because for some reason they as culture almost always make huge mistakes (screw up big) that have far reaching disasters associated with them.  Read history, and you would never trust any politician, preacher, or groups of scientists.

16/ Unfounded Beliefs are the base cause of all that is wrong with society.  If beliefs are ever true, then you would see only good results.  Beliefs cause factions as this crap religion does of Evodelusionism. The truth is never contrary, nor does it create separations between people. The Truth unifies people. (If you want to get rid of prejudices go travel the world.)

17/ Money, social status, power and having people "worship" an authority has never been a sign of any truth is in the person.  In materialistic societies, money prestige and power are worshiped as good ideas.   A truth seeker sees this as a tremendous disease caused by an empty pit of fear and insecurity.  If they get paid to perpetuate crap belief, then they will never seek the truth.

18/ Most humans go to their ends with all their delusions in control of their lives.  Very few  (less than 2%) actually seek the truth and are happy with ego, beliefs, fears, and ignorance. All your delusional beliefs control you and make you not free.

19/ Rule: Anytime you inject a falsehood in with a truth, the end is a falsehood.  The truth is utterly destroyed in any belief system by a single falsehood.  In indoctrination methods the truth is often used in the beginning as a way to lead you to the falsehoods of the religion. When you get to the end of the beliefs and you accept them, you sound like a fool to people who are logical and have not been indoctrinate. Evodelusionists are nut jobs, in my opinion who rattle off non functional beliefs.

20/ If someone is taking you for a ride, you must find out where they are taking you first, before you get in the car.
In science the real scientific method is to look at the final premises and work backwards to prove that.  You must never be taking an indoctrination that is a program to brainwash you and call it a classroom or church or what ever.
If they were to tell you that fish grew lungs, walked on land, and eventually became humans, you would want absolute proof of that FIRST, before you take any classes from them.

21/ Only weak and ignorant people believe in things that are not proven absolutely to them. Being ignorant of the laws of science does not allow you to break them and call it science.
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Reply #1 - Dec 6th, 2009 at 10:22pm
 
Laws of Science violated buy Evodelusionists:

1/For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

2 The law of causality.  There is no random in this universe. There are only actions and reactions or causes and effects. There is nothing else in this universe.

3/ Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only be transformed.

4/ Equilibrium all mater and energy seeks balance and equilibrium.

5/ Inertia A body at rest stays at rest. A body in motion stays in motion, until something else affects it path. (This is what allows satellites to stay in orbit, and for space craft to reach the moon with very little fuel.)

6/ The only place where the genetic information can come from is the parent(s) of the creature. There are no magical causes in the universe. The law of cause and effect. The magical and mystical "random mutations" are obviously from the genetic history of the offspring. DNA is caused and is not the end of the causality. DNA does not cause itself, because :

7/ Nothing manifest in the physical universe is the cause of itself.

8/ All mater is energy. Einsteins law of atomic energy. Proven last year by physicists. Energy comes before matter. Energy is contained in all matter.

9/"Physicists conclude that certain elemental forces: gravity, the strong and weak nuclear forces, and electromagnetism are said to be the four fundamental forces which are the causes of all other events in the universe." I say they do not know all the causes and only go on a very limited awareness of what the human mind can comprehend. The human mind is extremely finite and extremely limited. (And not to be trusted)

10 Organisms adapt to the environment, but only to a point. Once the position of survival as that genus is exceeded extinction occurs.  There is no "intention" for evolution, only for survival as the same genus.  This principle of genetic stability eliminates all possibility of mutation into a new genus.  This is in all the evidence we have.

11/ There is no such thing as random mutations in the genome of any creature. Random mutations is certain death.
This pseudo science idea of random mutation is against the laws of science. "Random" and "Cause and Effect" cannot exist in the same universe.

12/ There is only one science, with branches, because humans are too feeble minded to understand all of it. That does not mean you can violate the laws of other sciences in your particular "psuedo science" of evodelusionism.

13/ There are no magical nor mystical causes in natural science pertaining to the universe.  If you have magical causes like random mutations, or genetic instability, then it is pseudo science and is part of a religious belief.

14/ Assumptions and projections of belief, not found in evidence is not science, never has been, never will be. 

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Reply #2 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 3:50pm
 
I realized that delusional idiots try to reduce the laws of physics to "theory" in order to elevate their religious beliefs.

With the laws of physics your body lives. The entire universe runs on the laws of physics and the foundational elements of science.

Without one of the archetypes you die and nothing else exists but space, void, nothingness.  Many physicists will explain this too you.  Look it up on Google. If any one of those principles, archetypes of science disappear, so does all life.

You cannot violate the laws of physics and replace it with fantasy beliefs. But that is who and what you have done to yourself, because you are weak willed and brainwashed.

If you want to get free, get free.  It really is that easy.

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Reply #3 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 11:20am
 
It still amazed me the levels of delusion that people are willing to allow in themselves.

I have never allowed any logical fallacy, anything that violates the laws of nature, and science to ever be considered as science.

Yet these idiots have taken science into the toilet with religious (Evodelusionism) beliefs in fantasy pseudo science.

It is like communicating with some primitive cult that sacrifices virgins or something to listen to these idiots.

"And then the hairy ape man, had his genes split and out came humans.  I swear it happened. I know because I got in my dream time machine and watched it.  I lay down in my bed and went to sleep and saw all of this take place.  The ape suddenly has a "mutation" and had sex at the same time his "wife" had the mutation and out popped humans."

They will tell you this is not what they believe, but it is.  I just like to mock this bovine garbage and put it in their face.

There is no evidence on this earth of any trail of human evolution.  If you look at the evidence all there exists is dead ends and extinction of what they call "hominids" which are really just types of apes, monkeys, lemurs, rats, (yes they think we evolved from mice and rats)  and not human at all.

In the indoctrination process they disguise this crap as biology and start out with some true genetic understandings.
If  you want to teach bovine garbage, you have to mix in some truth in the indoctrination process. This is well known in cults.

As the students go along, they are taken deeper and deeper into delusional ideas, like random scrambled DNA, and they actually believe in this garbage, because they never test it on their own. They all appear to be weak and gullible and needy, so needy that they can't make it without approval and ego reinforcement, which is provided by a job in science if you are dumb enough to get a degree in bovine garbage.

it is a process of surrendering your logic and reason over to a messed up religion. 

It is not science because not one of their premises can be tested using any scientific process for testing.

It is all garbage.
And the parts that are almost functional are screwed up with beliefs like "random DNA", "evolutionary pressure",  "natural selection = evolution" (normal breeding and genetics which shows no evolution at all, somehow magically = evolution.) They believe that DNA is the cause of itself.  When nothing in this universe is the cause of itself. This is a scientific law.
They believe in magical processes, that cause fish to get out of the water and start breathing air. Tell me what "pressure" is there for a fish to want to die by leaving the water?

This is only part of the deep and finalize brainwashing these weak victims are subjected to.  Once they become adults with huge egos and paychecks, the are way off the deep end with this crap.




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Reply #4 - Dec 13th, 2009 at 6:06pm
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 13th, 2009 at 1:27am:
You are absolutely incorrect.  If your science violates the laws of physics, and you make this sort of excuse for it, then you are not a real scientist. Roll Eyes


But he is right. Newton's laws are not universal at all, and they are just an estimate of how things really are. The laws violated certain observations, and new theories were developed.
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Reply #5 - Dec 13th, 2009 at 7:38pm
 
metha wrote on Dec 13th, 2009 at 6:06pm:
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 13th, 2009 at 1:27am:
You are absolutely incorrect.  If your science violates the laws of physics, and you make this sort of excuse for it, then you are not a real scientist. Roll Eyes


But he is right. Newton's laws are not universal at all, and they are just an estimate of how things really are. The laws violated certain observations, and new theories were developed.


Try taking just one of the laws of physics out of the situation and all life ceases.  This is well known.

You are brainwashed into the murk of delusional beliefs.

When they teach science today they indoctrinate with lies.

They tell children that you do not need any factual, objective and absolute evidence to form belief.  All you need is a messed up theory in order to form conclusions from no evidence at all.  This is a cult, not science.

You need to get free of these ideas that cause deeper ignorance and avoidance of reality.

This idea that "theory" is the highest truth on earth is an abortion of what real science is.

I make my living using the laws of physics and math.

It never fails to repeat anytime you use them. This is the basis of functional science.

Evodelusionism is not even functional science. It is a religion.

It screws up any real advancement in medicine because they use friggin "slogans" to teach children with.  These "slogans" have never been tested by any scientific method, yet they are accepted, because all the belief is stronger than reality. They never want to face any real truth, because of the money, prestige, and the acceptance in this cult of "Evodelusion" feels good to them.   

If you are not the guardian of your intelligence, then you are  weak victimized person, that accepts screwed up authority for no reasons other than your own need to be accepted, or you are intimidated by these false gods of this religion.

I never allow anything that is not absolutely proven to enter my mind and "stick". 

It is possible to learn all that mankind has and not believe any of it until it is proven absolutely and is self evident.

If it is not self evident, it is not true.

If it contains vague, unproven "slogans" and  nonsense and you believe it, then you are not qualified to be a scientist.

There is no random in the universe.  There is only cause and effect, one of the most fundamental laws of science.

If you pseudo science violates the laws of science, then it is not science.
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Reply #6 - Dec 14th, 2009 at 1:26am
 
I am not brainwashed. Far from it. Newton's laws are not correct, and they are just approximations to the truth. Einstein showed us that.
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Reply #7 - Dec 14th, 2009 at 2:37am
 
metha wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 1:26am:
I am not brainwashed. Far from it. Newton's laws are not correct, and they are just approximations to the truth. Einstein showed us that.


Is there anytime and place in this world where the laws of science don't work?

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Reply #8 - Dec 14th, 2009 at 3:31am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 2:37am:
metha wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 1:26am:
I am not brainwashed. Far from it. Newton's laws are not correct, and they are just approximations to the truth. Einstein showed us that.


Is there anytime and place in this world where the laws of science don't work?



Hi. Yes, Newton's laws are not always true. For example when we consider speeds up to the speed of light, we can no longer add and subtract velocities. But Newton's laws are valid here on earth and when sending a rocket to the moon. Also in strong gravitational fields, some of the classic physics and classic laws no longer apply.
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Reply #9 - Dec 14th, 2009 at 10:53am
 
metha wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 3:31am:
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 2:37am:
metha wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 1:26am:
I am not brainwashed. Far from it. Newton's laws are not correct, and they are just approximations to the truth. Einstein showed us that.


Is there anytime and place in this world where the laws of science don't work?



Hi. Yes, Newton's laws are not always true. For example when we consider speeds up to the speed of light, we can no longer add and subtract velocities. But Newton's laws are valid here on earth and when sending a rocket to the moon. Also in strong gravitational fields, some of the classic physics and classic laws no longer apply.


Why do you keep referring only to Newton's laws.
They are only part of the picture.  There is only cause and effect in physics. Most of the time it is because the "physicist" is not taking into account all of the velocities, energies, masses, gravity or other phenomenon in the in a particular situation.  The (YOUR) calculations are crude because the methods are crude.  Scientists present the image of knowledge, when most can barely wipe their asses without getting crap on their hands.

You are going to trust a finite set of humans to dictate what science is to you?  I never allow others to have any authority over my mind. Not ever!!

If we ever want to travel in outer space and not use much fuel, you will need to advance physics beyond the simple, basic stuff (weak and stupid) that humans can understand now.  We need to test under all the possible conditions to get the data and form the total of these laws. 

We need to work on humans to get them out of the stone ages of extremely ignorant beliefs, like "random", and "evolution".   We need to try to find a way to elevate humans above these primitive emotionally driven illogical destroyers of the earth.

Humans are the problem, and they see their limitations as being the best science and most advanced "science".  It is the flea in the jar, concept and a total lack of vision beyond what they have been brainwashed with.   If you believe that you are not brainwashed, when what you said is a form of belief in things your "teachers" can barely understand. 

It is what they can't understand or just ignore (ignorance) that is the limitation. If it is beyond their comprehension, they tend to ignore it as if it does not exist.  Human comprehension from my perspective of genius levels of intelligence is like a bird turd in the ocean.  Turd = human awareness and knowledge of the universe, Ocean sort of equals the knowledge of the universe.

Newton was a fellow who understood how to see what was right in front of him, and others did not see this.


Newtons laws are not absolute because of the other parts of the causes and effects are not looked into, ignored (ignorance). It is all cause and effect. He had no idea of all the causes that surround him, because of the time in which he lived.

The same goes for us right now.  The feeble human mind filled with fantasy nonsense, is the problem.

We don't even use what we know about now in the physics classes and we can't incorporate all that is happening in any event, because the mind is too dull witted to understand all the scientific phenomenon taking place right in front of their noses. 

YOU Need to learn and work with all the other laws and the effects of gravity, polarity, magnetism, EMF, even the gravity effects of all the happenings around the scene, like the cars in the street, and the moon's and all the planets, the sun's gravitational force.  Newton had no idea how to incorporate even magnetic forces very well.

The first law of science is cause and effect. All the other laws function on this.   When people are feeble minded they can only work with what they know. And the "lowest common denominator"  or the "common" kid in the class will reduce the intelligence, information, and amount of data they can handle.  Universities teach crude physics, compared to what is actually happening.  Like I say, people can't even envision all the data and information needed to have totally accurate predictions. 

The idea that they believe in random, tells you how stupid they are.

Newtons laws work within parameters and they also work along with things he had no idea about.

Taking the coin toss as an example.  If you can think beyond what you were taught, you can come up with more ways to advance  experiments.

You would examine the coin for density mass in and do a total analysis of the protrusions, total mapping of the surface and the purity of the metals and take note of any imperfection or other elements that might cause impurity of the metals in the coin and put that in the computer and all the data from any similar experiment using that metal in that form.

The spinning of the coin would generate electricity and magnetic drag, ever so slight.  Velocity has an effect on the mass of things as well.

You would take a sample of the air and read all the chemicals in it and use that for the calculations.  You would even check the air for any electrical charge in it that would lead to a similar effect as adding more drag of less drag.

Then you would take  a super sensitive magnetic meter and electrical polarity (charges)  and see what the magnetic and electrical influences are at the "toss site" in all the materials that you can test (the floor, the walls, the beams, the water pipes, the electrical wires, the wood in the room the glass in the room, the way the floor is constructed).

Then you would test for any electrical influences from the wiring in the room, and calculate their effects on the coin toss.

You would do mass, gravity, electrical polarity, analysis on the person tossing the coin.  And any effect his/her body mass and electrical energy has on the coin.  Just standing there people have mass, electrical, and magnetic forces in their bodies. You would do a heat analysis of the effects the body heat has on the air around the coin, as it changes the mass of the air and effects the air molecules around the coin.

Then you would check out the building and all of its parts, mass, types of pipes in the wall, materials and equipment in the room to see the effects those have on the coin toss.

In order to calculate the exact results of the coin toss, you would need several, at least 10, extreme speed cameras at least 1000 FPS, sharp images, and that speed would have to be extremely controlled in order to use it for the calculations of the speed of the coin movements.  This way you could calculate the final result of the coin toss from the first 1 or 2 thousands of a second the coin is free of the thumb.

You would have to calculate the effects of having the 10 cameras in the room.  Anytime you have an observer, even cameras, they have an effect on the physics taking place.

You would need to remove all the people from the site, or do a complete analysis of their mass, electrical, magnetic and temperature effects on the coin toss. 

Science is cause and effects,  Newtons laws are ever so slightly inaccurate, because they are primitive, but well thought out and well tested. It is only when you incorporate all that is really happening at the test site, can you be accurate to the smallest increment of accuracy. You would need to be within at least .0000001 inches to predict a coin toss every time.

The trillions of particles, masses that are around the experiment would need to be analyzed.
It is because of the limitations of the tools used to test the causes and effects people can't understand.  This is part of the feeble minded attempts to just call it "random". If you are not capable of one single thought beyond what the lowest common denominator in the class then you will call it "random" because of total ignorance of all the causes.

Einstein was just on the surface of these differences and the causes.  HOWEVER, they are still cause and effect and nothing else.

Understand?

THE LAW is cause and effect. Everything in physics comes down to that. When you don't know the causes, people tend to ignore them and say it is "random" or make up magical, mystical, religious causes.

Random is a religious belief, not science.

You cannot see the cause of DNA, you can only see the DNA.  DNA is not the cause of itself.

Nothing in the universe is the cause of itself, another absolute law.

Because you cannot see or test the cause, yet, does not allow you to make up magical and mystical causes.

The final cause of these laws is unknown and beyond our perceptions at this time.

It is sometimes difficult for me to put what I know into writing and I expect more from people, because this stuff is easy for me.  I think it should be easy for anyone, but I keep realizing how limited most people are, especially since I have been teaching science on the net to people who argue against the laws of science, because of their magical and mystical causes that they believe with all their heart and soul.

Religious nonsense is rampant in biology, be cause of the nature of biology.  It is the most complex subject there is and most humans can barely wipe their asses and try to tell others they understand it.
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It is sometimes difficult for me to put what I know into writing and I expect more from people, because this stuff is easy for me.  I think it should be easy for anyone, but I keep realizing how limited most people are, especially since I have been teaching science on the net to people who argue against the laws of science, because of their magical and mystical causes that they believe with all their heart and soul.


It's "easy" for you because you don't support your assertions with any rigor. All of this is just floating in your head. It doesn't mean anything in reality.
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It is sometimes difficult for me to put what I know into writing and I expect more from people, because this stuff is easy for me.  I think it should be easy for anyone, but I keep realizing how limited most people are, especially since I have been teaching science on the net to people who argue against the laws of science, because of their magical and mystical causes that they believe with all their heart and soul.


It's "easy" for you because you don't support your assertions with any rigor. All of this is just floating in your head. It doesn't mean anything in reality.


IT means you are ignorant of the causes.  Here is your photo I took of you.  You represent the lowest common denominator. The tiny box of belief you live in. Grin






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Reply #12 - Dec 14th, 2009 at 11:35am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 10:53am:
Why do you keep referring only to Newton's laws.


Because that is what you were talking about. I can mention other laws that are violated under certain conditions.

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They are only part of the picture.  There is only cause and effect in physics. Most of the time it is because the "physicist" is not taking into account all of the velocities, energies, masses and gravity in a particular situation.  The calculations are crude because the methods are crude.


No this is complexity.

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If you believe that you are not brainwashed, when what you said is a form of belief in things your "teachers" can barely understand.


I was tested in Switzerland with an IQ of 196, and I am free from false teachings like evolution.


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Newtons laws are not absolute because of the other parts of the causes and effects are not looked into, ignored (ignorance). It is all cause and effect. He had no idea of all the causes that surround him, because of the time in which he lived.


No, Newton's laws are not absolute because they are not true. In the small scale they are true for sufficient accuracy.


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Taking the coin toss as an example.  If you can think beyond what you were taught, you can come up with more ways to advance  experiments.


Yes you could predict a toin coss given all information, but this is complexity, not randomness.


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Newtons laws are ever so slightly inaccurate


No, they are not just inaccurate. They may even break down completely. But this has nothing to do with too complex system with way too many paramters. They are simply wrong.


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Einstein was just on the surface of these differences and the causes.  HOWEVER, they are still cause and effect and nothing else.


No, Einstein did not mention Newton's inaccuracy. That was not the point of his work. The inaccuracy has nothing to do with it.

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Trust me on that.

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What part of evolution are you opposed to metha?


Mostly information theory and the information in the DNA, and I would like to discuss that sometime here on the forum.

I hope that is ok for GoodScienceForYou, and that he would be interested in such a thread?
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metha wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 11:42am:
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What part of evolution are you opposed to metha?


Mostly information theory and the information in the DNA, and I would like to discuss that sometime here on the forum.

I hope that is ok for GoodScienceForYou, and that he would be interested in such a thread?


Hang on, where did I miss the part where Metha had an issue with a part of evolutionary theory?

Meh, no matter. Anyway, I do have a point to make. Newton's law are not so much shown to be wrong or approximations by Einstein but rather revealed to be a special case of relativity, not all encompassing.

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