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Reply #15 - Dec 14th, 2009 at 12:33pm
 
How about a screen shots of its output Cheesy, a link to an article in the literature where it was discussed, or even a sample of the data you used?
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Reply #16 - Dec 14th, 2009 at 1:37pm
 
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I am not going to give you what took years of research to make.  WTF is the matter with you?

Don't keep asking.


What use is evidence if you can't show it to anyone? No one would accept the results of such a program without being able to inspect the source code. You've been sitting on this program for nearly 20 years and no one has ever heard of it or seen it? That's a noble contribution to humanity right there.

How about you just admit you made it up?

Post code or admit you're lying.


Let me quote Einstein on this one:

"Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal."
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"The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."

One of the things he did not realize is that his discover helped to kill and maim hundreds of thousands of people.

"If only I had known".

There is nothing about this that should be in the hands of people like you.  You barely can wipe your ass, much less deal with complex ideas that are way beyond your reach.


Anyone who thinks there are "random" events in the universe is an idiot, in my humble opinion. Beliefs in utter falsehoods destroys your credibility and turns you into a brainwashed idiot.


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Reply #17 - Dec 14th, 2009 at 1:46pm
 
Oh, and hang on, let me get this straight.

You have spent hours, in many threads, telling us that randomness does not exist. You claim to have a program to show that it does.

But, you can't show us it, because we are not intelligent enough to comprehend it?

Why spend all that time convincing us of it then?
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Reply #18 - Dec 14th, 2009 at 7:48pm
 
oh_noes wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 1:46pm:
Oh, and hang on, let me get this straight.

You have spent hours, in many threads, telling us that randomness does not exist. You claim to have a program to show that it does.

But, you can't show us it, because we are not intelligent enough to comprehend it?

Why spend all that time convincing us of it then?


The program uses events around an event to predict the results.  Showing that random is not possible if you can predict the results with any degree of accuracy.


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Reply #19 - Dec 15th, 2009 at 1:59am
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 7:48pm:
oh_noes wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 1:46pm:
Oh, and hang on, let me get this straight.

You have spent hours, in many threads, telling us that randomness does not exist. You claim to have a program to show that it does.

But, you can't show us it, because we are not intelligent enough to comprehend it?

Why spend all that time convincing us of it then?


The program uses events around an event to predict the results.  Showing that random is not possible if you can predict the results with any degree of accuracy.




And when you can't, because you don't know the starting conditions, what do the results appear to be?
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Reply #20 - Dec 15th, 2009 at 7:39pm
 
I spent two hours going through my old floppy discs and found a copy of the code and the compiled program.

I tried to open it on the PC but there is not translator and it says the disc needs to be formatted. 

The old macs are in the basement as well.
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Reply #21 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 6:57pm
 
The point is that when a pseudo science, like Evolution (Evodelusionism) is allowed to disregard the laws of physics and make up magical science, then we have to put a stop to it.

You cannot violate the laws of science and say you are a scientist.
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Reply #22 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 7:24pm
 
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 24th, 2009 at 6:57pm:
The point is that when a pseudo science, like Evolution (Evodelusionism) is allowed to disregard the laws of physics and make up magical science, then we have to put a stop to it.

You cannot violate the laws of science and say you are a scientist.


Good thing, that evolution has as much to do with physics as cows have to do with particle mechanics...
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Reply #23 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 10:07pm
 
glowingape wrote on Dec 24th, 2009 at 7:24pm:
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 24th, 2009 at 6:57pm:
The point is that when a pseudo science, like Evolution (Evodelusionism) is allowed to disregard the laws of physics and make up magical science, then we have to put a stop to it.

You cannot violate the laws of science and say you are a scientist.


Good thing, that evolution has as much to do with physics as cows have to do with particle mechanics...


You cannot violate the laws of physics in any science. Only in "pseudo science" that is really a f**ked up religion, do you allow your delusions to run your mind.

Evolution is a fraud. It is human emotional mental garbage, and you know it is.

When you allow others to control how you learn, how you think, then you are not in charge of your life.  You are just another person owned by a f**king religion.
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Reply #24 - Jan 10th, 2010 at 12:47am
 
Real science and real scientists should never make assumptions about anything. It is not science, but projection of belief.

Random is not a proven or even tested by the scientific methodology as even a scientific principle in the physical world of mass, momentum,and interactions between organic life.

There is no science without forming an experiment to show your hypothesis. So far no scientist has ever been able to show random in the physical world (no experiments show this).

In real science there is only energy, mass, in motion and the reactions on these actions. That can never be random, by the laws of physics: "For ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction".

There can NEVER be random events in the physical world, because once energy is expressed it can only follow the laws of physics or genetics, as it transfers and propagates energy and genetic (DNA) interactions into the world.

The only possible use of the term random is in pure mathematics, and in electronics where you only have one "thing" electrons and electron clouds (all the same "particle" with noting else) but this does not equate to random in the physical world.


If random were true, then evolution is not true, because it is impossible by the laws of physics to produce any form of evolution that could ever be random. It would have to be only a "genetic" chain reaction to events and that is never random. There is only genetics, and genetics is not random but a result of DNA, traits passed into the DNA, and that is all.

If you were to calculate the permutations of the probability of, for instance 3.2 billion DNA base pairs and their "expression" as they form the foundation for human cells it could not happen in hundreds of trillions of years by "random" events. This is mathematically proven facts. As we say the way the cards are dealt are they way they happened, but each event only happened one way and only one way, based only on what has already transpired.

What is stated here cannot be in doubt, because without this principle all life ceases, therefore it remains as well tested and known scientific principles. We need to remove any ambiguous assumptions from genetic science.
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Reply #25 - Jan 11th, 2010 at 12:11pm
 
This thread is required reading for all "science students".
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Reply #26 - Jan 14th, 2010 at 10:54pm
 
"You are absolutely incorrect.  If your science violates the laws of physics, and you make this sort of excuse for it, then you are not a real scientist. "
Nogoodscience - You don't understand what a law is.. at all. A law only applies to very specific situations. They are not universally applied. For instance, the law of entropy which states that things lose energy over time (very loose definition) this only applies to CLOSED systems. Evolution and the Earth are both not based on closed systems so that law does not apply.

You seriously need to learn a little about science before arguing with people who do.
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Reply #27 - Jan 14th, 2010 at 10:57pm
 
Nogoodscience - The main problem you have with your "science" is that you have already formed your conclusion and any facts that do not back your conclusion must be wrong in some way. Your conclusion is that God is real and God did it. Any facts that deviate from that conclusion are going to be wrong in your eyes. This is not how science works. Science works by figuring out the conclusion based on the facts.

You are figuring out the facts based on your conclusion. This is bad science.
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Reply #28 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 4:22am
 
The point about laws, which is greatly misunderstood here (and I have to use physics as an example), are NOT laws that are evidently defined by something outside the universe who gave it to us on a plate of gold. Laws are not proven as fundamental truths. The reason for that is clear, because we cannot prove the laws, only perform tests again and again trying to falsify them, but hopefully only confirm them. The more we test, the more certain we can be that they are correct. However, one time in the future we can discover (as our testing gets better and more accurate), that there are some errors in the equations and laws, so that they need to be adjusted. They may be correct, but they may not. This is exactly what happened with Newton's laws, when Einstein had to adjust them with his theory of relativity. The laws were tested, falsified and adjusted. However, Newton's laws were accurate and good enough for use, so the theory is not thrown away. We can use Newton to go to the moon, but for other applications they are not accurate enough.
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Reply #29 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 10:14am
 
Maelstrom wrote on Jan 14th, 2010 at 10:54pm:
"You are absolutely incorrect.  If your science violates the laws of physics, and you make this sort of excuse for it, then you are not a real scientist. "
Nogoodscience - You don't understand what a law is.. at all. A law only applies to very specific situations. They are not universally applied. For instance, the law of entropy which states that things lose energy over time (very loose definition) this only applies to CLOSED systems. Evolution and the Earth are both not based on closed systems so that law does not apply.

You seriously need to learn a little about science before arguing with people who do.


You are the one who needs to catch up to my knowledge.  I am only going to be on this earth for a few more years. I have an IQ over any human that I have ever met.

When I come across confusion and nonsense like you just stated, I want to just kick your ass off of here.

You are trying to confuse yourself and everybody who comes in contact with you, just like your teachers are confused and are not capable of seeing more than one thing at a time and have no "vision" or photographic memory.

I'll bet that you can't do calculation for more than 2 things at one time.  I have been capable of over 100 events at one instant in deep concentration over 3 hour period. Like a frigging trance of concentration.  There have only been a few people on this earth who can see even 10 events all interacting at one instant.  If you can get to 10 you would never say that anything is random in this physical world.

All Laws of physics operate on earth, under the conditions of earth.  If you want to take your ass to some other place, do that then. 

There is absolutely no way for the genome of any creature to be random.  If even one screwed up base pair (caused by some event) can cause sickle cell anemia, then 100 or more will cause instant death and extinction.

These idiots think that there are "random mutations" that happen for no reason and are shown as differences in the DNA from parent to offspring.  This is because they think that DNA is the cause of itself and has no cause, and they are to lazy (and only want evidence that suggest the disgusting religion of Evodelusionism)  to go back in the genealogy to see that these base pairs appear in grandpa or great grandma or some ancestor. 

Just because your mind is so weak that you can't comprehend all of the scientific factors surrounding any event, is no excuse for you to state nonsense.

Cause and Effect is THE law of science.  It negates any form of random. There is no science at all without the study of cause and effect.


Your typical human cannot comprehend what the hell is going on.

Go to the coin toss thread and learn about cause and effect.
Because you don't understand the laws in the causes and your mind is weak, you assume random. That is not science.

And the law of cause and effect is the law that there is no random in physical matter on earth, and as far as we know all matter in the universe. 
You need to learn science from someone who actually understands it. 
In the last years science has been polluted with nonsense like evolution, and since evolution is popular they try to eliminate the laws of science from their science.  You cannot do that. So, they took scientific laws that always work on this earth and decided to change them or downgrade them to theory.  WTF is that about?  If you don't like the facts then change the facts?

There is no such thing as the "Theory of Gravity".  It is the law of gravity.  And that phenomenon works the same way every time under the same circumstances.

Try to have chemistry, physics, biology as we know it, and any science that works without gravity.  There would be no chemistry without gravity.  It is fundamental to how life and science works on earth.

The theory of evolution is totally contradictory.  On the one hand they must have random and on the other it is cause and effect.  If you confront them with the mathematics on probability then life would take such a huge number of years that you might as well say "forever".  trillions upon trillions of years to make a human with 3.2 billion base pairs.
Then they say no it is not random, but cause and effect.
These people are morons.

You cannot have any "science" that violates all known sciences with fantasy and belief. Because it violates scientific facts and laws, and there is no evidence for it, that is why it is a religion called, Evodelusionism.


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