GoodScienceForYou wrote on Nov 29th, 2009 at 1:23pm:I do not have a religion and I have studied science for over 47 years.
I have studied "The Theory Of Evolution for over 40 years. What I know is this God =Truth. Science = Seeking Truth.
If God does not equal truth then it is a false God. There is no religion higher than the truth. If science is not seeking the absolute truth, then it is not science.
In any religious idea, you will always find the laws of physics violated. This is one of the earmarks of a religious dogma used in science and religion. There is no magic or mystical causes in real science. There is no use for religious beliefs in science. There is no need for projection of belief in science.
If you are religious and you really want God's truth, then it is also in real science. Because God's truth IS in real science. It it the only Truth and cannot be reduced to mental masturbations. If you examine some science and realize it is actually a pseudo science, based on mystical beliefs, then you can stop worrying about it and teach your children real science, with out the mystical crap in pseudo science.
There is nothing bad about seeking the truth. If you are not seeking to find the truth in your life in all areas, then you are seeking to perpetuate your beliefs, other people's messed up beliefs, fantasies, and avoid the truth, because you are fearful of it. If you think you have found the truth and you have never looked beyond the sources of your "education" then you are a fraud. A true seeker of truth is not weak and fearful so much so as to not be able to look beyond what they believe to find what is real. Most Evodelusionists and religious fanatics are cowards to examine themselves and their beliefs, because beliefs are based on instinctual feelings that you attach your mind to. If you want to find the truth then put your beliefs to the test of real science, not some made up crap by humans who are controlled by fear. Anyone who says they have no fears is dead and can't speak. People who know some of the truth and seek only the truth, have far less fear. Only people who know the absolute truth can have no fear.
You need to think on these things.
If you are a true scientist, and an Atheist, then you would also want the truth and not some religious belief in your science, disguised as science. You do not need to be afraid of the truth, either. This crap has absolutely nothing to do with atheism. You do not need some messed up religion in atheism. This is why this is the neutral zone for understanding and communications. If atheism is real, it will be revealed to you in time by following the truth and not make up things from belief.
(If your belief is true, then you would be able, as I am to put up with a lot of fanatics and their hate, because if you don't stand for truth in Science, then you are not a scientist an I will work hard to destroy your messed up religious beliefs.)
You do not have to fill in the blanks with belief ever. There is no need for a screwed up religious beliefs to ever be in science because you are too ignorant to realize that you have nothing but belief projected on evidence.
You must, personally, test the truth in all things or you are not a real believer in Science, Truth or God. You missed this somewhere or it was taught out of you mind by some religious or political belief system.
You do not need any alternative theory on life and science, if the one you have is unproven nonsense. The idea that you need some theory to explain something you can never know anything about, cannot ever test with the scientific method with the science tools we have now, is ridiculous and a sign of mental problems. It is utter human weakness to make up crap and call it science.
How do you know if it is science or religious make believe?
You set up rules for yourself to protect yourself from religious pseudo science.
1/ Rule of science: In every event, action, reaction, chemical reaction, energy movement, even the thoughts that transpired at any time, have an exact and absolute truth as to what happened. This is the objective truth in and of the matter. This is what people are afraid of, so they make up stories to fill in where they don't know. If you avoid this understanding then you are ignorant. This is what a real scientist or believer in God, or human being does is to seek this truth and not be afraid of what they find.
The basic meaning of ignorance is the avoidance of the Truth. If you only go with what makes you feel good, avoids humiliation, or what you have been taught to believe by authority, then you are lazy and weak believer. "You would not make a pimple on a real scientists ass", as my father used to say.
1/ Never accept authority because others accept this authority. It doesn't matter who they are. You find the truth for yourself. No real authority operating from truth would tell you that they are the only source of truth. They are never fearful of any investigation of their truth.
2/ If you are too low IQ to understand what they are teaching you, then admit it (Duh!). It is OK ("Man's gotta know their limitations" Dirty Harry), and still don't trust them and never believe them. You cannot believe people just because of their position in society and you are too low IQ to figure it out. (This is the BS axiom of most religious BS, and Science BS. "The high priests are the only ones who know the truth, and I must trust them because I am too stupid to understand.")
If you hear someone tell you that "the greatests minds of our time all belive in evolution, and that is thier reason for believing, then you need to get away from them, until they acutally can answer this question: "Where is your absolute evidence for evolution, that is physical, objective, irrefutable and has NO opinions from "these nitwit, greatest minds"?" Opinions are not evidence, yet that is all that is shown in the "theory of evolution", which is a fantasy religion.
You can simply not believe because you can't understand, rather than accept human authority. How many humans have you met that are completely stable, completely honest, completely pure of heart with no agendas in their being? How many people do you know that have agendas based on their prejudices, indoctrination, and beliefs? (All of them, except for the geniuses who are outside of the tiny boxes of society, the seekers of truth.)
There are many people I have run across on the internet who claim to be scientists but don't know the first thing about logic, reason, math, physics nor do they understand that you cannot do #4 in this list. They use what is called sideways logic to work around the laws of science in order to perpetuate beliefs.
3/ If you see that this "science" only argues with religious people, in court and in public, then you know it is a religion and has no actual proven facts. If it was absolutely true, proven beyond all doubts to all of mankind, there is no arguments. The absolute truth cannot be argued because it is self evident.So, you know they are making up "things", if it isn't absolutely self evident.
4 / Absolute Rule: any science which is constantly violating the laws of science (physics) and or mathematics is religious and basically pseudo science.
5/ Evidence must be factual, have physical proof (absolutely irrefutable evidence with no other plausibility) and uses only the scientific method to get the results. If it violates using the scientific methods of testing and now this means it needs millions of test to be considered to be fact. (I have never seen the real scientific method used in the theory of evolution.)
6/ Opinions that are based on other expert opinions, based on further opinions, on and on, is not science, it is a religion passed down from one "expert" to the next. If it is based on absolute evidence then we don't need no "stinking expert opinions" because it is self evident.
7/ There can be no contradictions in any evidence in order to have it be even considered as evidence. One obvious contradiction voids the belief. You don't need any more. If it is true, it is always true and can never be contradicted by evidence or any other logic and plausibility that follows the evidence.
8/ There can be no contradictions in the methods or the tools used to test; no assumptions are allowed. All of the evidence must fit perfectly. If it does not fit perfectly, that is a sign of improper use of the scientific method. Contradictions are a sign of religious, mystical, or mythological, beliefs being imposed on evidence.
9/ If it doesn't follow the evidence then it is not science, but belief. If there is nothing to base the "conclusion" on other than belief it is garbage.
10/ When they tell you that the only "truth" is their "truth" and it is only those who have been taught by them who can teach, and they teach you to never look outside of their truth, it is a religious cult. No one has the right to spoon feed you their "truth", and tell you not to seek to verify it. If you don't verify it far away from the believers, you are not a scientist, but a cult member with blinders on.
11/ Assumptions are NEVER science or truth. You cannot go from A to D by faith and belief. You must go from A-B-C-D-E....In logical and obvious steps proving each premise as you go as being absolutely true in all testing from all ways of attacking the evidence.
12/ If each premise has no absolute testing, and has no absolute proof then each is not proven and to be discarded as evidence, until it can be proven absolutely. Just because someone is repeating what they believe to be true over and over, is not science, but is a religion.
13/ If you leave out any way to test any scientific evidence, or any scientific theory, then it is religion and not science. A real scientist never overlooks anyway of testing because of a belief that blocks scientific inquiry. Beliefs destroy all scientific inquiry and invalidate all scientists as having no objectivity. Belief with out evidence is religion and not science.
13/ If you believe some idea and you are a scientist, you must be able to put aside your beliefs as if they do not exist and test by other ideas. (When have you ever seen this in the Evodelusion religion?)
14/ Humans are extremely flawed and limited. If you put your faith in humanity, historically you will be disappointed, because for some reason they as culture almost always make huge mistakes (screw up big) that have far reaching disasters associated with them. Read history, and you would never trust any politician, preacher, or groups of scientists.
15/ Unfounded Beliefs are the base cause of all that is wrong with society. If beliefs are ever true, then you would see only good results. Beliefs cause factions as this crap religion does of Evodelusionism. The truth is never contrary, nor does it create separations between people.
16/ Money, social status, power and having people "worship" an authority has never been a sign of any truth is in the person. In materialistic societies, money prestige and power are worshiped as good ideas. A truth seeker sees this as a tremendous disease caused by an empty pit of fear and insecurity. If they get paid to perpetuate crap belief, then they will never seek the truth.
17/ Most humans go to their ends with all their delusions in control of their lives. Very few (less than 2%) actually seek the truth and are happy with ego, beliefs, fears, and ignorance.
18/ Rule: Anytime you inject a falsehood in with a truth, the end is a falsehood. The truth is utterly destroyed in any belief system by a single falsehood. In indoctrination methods the truth is often used in the beginning as a way to lead you to the falsehoods of the religion. When you get to the end of the beliefs and you accept them, you sound like a fool to people who are logical and have not been indoctrinate.
19/ If someone is taking you for a ride, you must find out where they are taking you first, before you get in the car.
In science the real scientific method is to look at the final premises and work to prove that. You must never be taking an indoctrination that is a program to brainwash you and call it a classroom or church or what ever.
If they were to tell you that fish grew lungs, walked on land, and eventually became humans, you would want absolute proof of that FIRST.
20/ Only weak and ignorant people believe in things that are not proven absolutely to them. Being ignorant of the laws of science does not allow you to break them and call it science.
This is a post that the Evodelusionists avoid like the plague.
This is the basic truth about Evodelusionism, which has no evidence.