metha wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 4:04am:GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 3:25am:You assume that I could not predict it.
You can convince me if we do a test on this. I can give you a sequence of numbers (with structure), and you predict the next number.
Quote:Using my really crude program I was able to predict numbers consistently with a degree of accuracy that showed that random does not exist at any level.
Then you can demonstrate this for all to see.
Quote:It is a perception in the human mind to describe things not understood. It is the basis of many religious beliefs that are still in science today.
The universe operates on structures based on all the laws of science. Not just Newtons laws of physics.
You state that I am wrong about the electrons, but you need to demonstrate how it is wrong and come up with an explanation for the insanely improbable fact that we can predict the probabilities, and WHY the factors that influences the outcome doesn't influence the outcome if you position the electron up or down. You can not just say that it is wrong, you have to tell me why.
About LaTex. Thanks a lot for your answer. I do not have a youtube account nor video software, and HTML will not be enough. Maybe i can make pictures, or else I will have to use LaTex. Will be harder to read, but possible.
When you are working at the level of electrons, you are not in the same level of things that can be tested for random. Just like pseudo random ping pong balls that will produce lottery numbers. Those can be predicted if you have enough data to do it.
Just as when you destroy uranium in an atomic blast. Once is is down below the level of the most basic element of hydrogen (one electron, one proton), you are in a different science that is outside of the elements.
This is on the level of beyond the physical. Electrons are all the same, and are not diverse.
When talking about what is in the physical world and these electrons are part of the structure of the chemicals there is no random.
Once you destroy the structures, there is no structure in physics it is on a different level of subatomic. It is like looking at a single brick and saying that is all there is to the building.
In the world that we live in with all of these structures random does not exist. Even in a computer program you have to seed the program to get a "pseudo random" number.
We don't even know for sure if electrons only pass in wire or if they have the ability to pass on the charges in a wave from one electron to the next. If we can work on that principle, I propose it would change the speed at which computers can run.
You issue is that what you are doing is a pseudo random or apparent random, not an absolute random. In all cases it is simply taking structures and shaking them around and let them bump into each other.
But if you slow it down and actually look at all the "bumping" going on it is completely following the law of cause and effect.
When you are dealing with complex cell structures and DNA, you cannot just simply scramble the box and not have the creatures die. Random in DNA is death.
Having a bunch of ping pong balls with numbers on them in an air chamber has no relationship to genetics. Trying to force false beliefs on DNA is a mental illness caused by improper scientific training.