Dabeer wrote on Jan 18th, 2010 at 6:44pm:CreationIst wrote on Jan 18th, 2010 at 6:34pm:4000 years? Wow. I had no idea.
Of course you didn't, because it's nonsense. The correct scientific information is that chimpanzees separated from humans about 6 million years ago.[/quote/]
This is utter nonsense! and funny as hell. You have
ONEand only one Chimp fossil and from that you can conclude some mystical ancestor that never existed.
The evidence is overwhelming in favor of humans being the parent of Chimps. And the rest suggest that the ERV's from humans passed through the entire primate "family". If you can't see that, then you need to think some more about the nonsense and brainwashing that you never look at any other plausibilities because you are brainwashed into this crap belief.
Quote:The fossils dated by the radiometric dating system are never to be recognized as fact. The whole radiometric dating beyond 10 to 20,000 years is worthless and based on assumptions that have no evidence nor proof of even being proper science.
More nonsense. The half-life of various isotopes is measurable, and the proportion of the remaining isotope to the decay product is also measurable, allowing us to calculate the age to within a certain error factor. I acknowledge that the error factor exists, but what's 1 million years plus or minus when the age being calculated is 50 million years?
Quote:1/ Prove the date that these isotopes were made? Prove that the conditions on earth have always been the same, forever?
2/ Measuring the ground that a fossil is found in is never going to equal the age of the original bones. That is a logical fallacy, that stands out like a sore thumb, to those who still have their objective reason. It would be the same as dating the minerals in a rock tomb and saying the fellow in the tomb is as old as the tomb rocks.
http://evolutionforum.info/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1257524945 [quote]So are there chimp remains from a period before 4000 years ago? According to the radiocarbon dating people, that is.
Yes. The first fossil chimpanzee found was dated to be between 200 thousand years to 700 thousand years ago. (According to http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7055/full/nature04008.html)
Quote: [quote]There exists one chimp fossil. That makes me realize that chimps have not been around for very long.
That's an assumption isn't it?
Yes, yes it is.
Quote:It is a logical fallacy for something that is millions of years old to not have any fossils.
Is it, though? I don't understand the field, but I do know that this type of dating isn't used for periods of time that distant. Also, isn't fossilization really rare?
Quote:But a few thousand years, one fossil would make sense.
I guess...
Quote:If you look at the genetic evidence, ERV's, DNA, Chromosomes it logically fits that Chimps came from some breeding with "animals" and humans
Wow, what a whopper. You're going to have to back that one up with some specific ERV placements and genome comparisons.
Quote:Wait, this is even more confusing. Are you saying that we could, in theory, have intercourse with an ape and it would produce offspring?
Not today. But when the DNA and the Chromosomes line up it is fully plausible. The fusion of number 2 chromosome in humans fills in that blank. They have already proven that if you study the DNA and the Chromosomes of separate creatures you can determine if they can breed. This is clear in the DNA, Chromosomes of humans and Chimps before the fusion of # 2 chromosomes. It is purely logical and obvious, but like anything from that time, we cannot prove any of it.
However, it has no mystical causes and magical processes involved in this hypothesis and it destroys the "common ancestor" delusional fantasy crap that Evodelusionists believe in their religion.
Dabeer wrote on Jan 18th, 2010 at 6:44pm:He's saying it, but he's full of feculence, because such a copulation could not produce fertile offspring - and if he wants to claim that chimps came from such a crossbreeding, fertility is a necessity.
Quote:This is one rollercoaster of a topic!
I'd suggest you get off this ride. There may yet be valid challenges to the theory of evolution, but you won't get them from this guy.
Unfortunately you have to deal with brainwashed people who will believe anything that is popular religious belief. If you want to get free of this crap religion of nonsense Evodelusionism and be a free thinker that only looks at the evidence, then I am your best bet. I have not met or read anyone who can do what I do as well as I do it.
I do not believe anything that is not absolutely proven.
So when I say it is a far greater and much more plausible hypothesis on the DNA, ERV, Chromosome evidence between the primates and humans that destroys the belief in magical and mystical common ancestors you know these religious Evodelusonism fanatics are going to squeal and try to discredit me.
The sad thing is that I am just trying to straighten out this crap belief and get it out of my science. I don' get paid to do this. This comes from wanting to help humanity. To help you to cure diseases and not make bad drugs based on poor assumption that have no basis in fact.
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