GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 14th, 2009 at 1:59pm:Once again, because you cannot control the conditions that create the apparent random, does not equal random. It is caused and you witness the effects.
Yes, you can, that is the whole point. One prepares an electron, exactly in a particular position, and it is staggering that it emits a quantum with probability exactly 1/2 each and every time this is being done. Why is that? It is because it is completely random. Or else one would have to explain why it is always with probability 1/2. Because if there were other factors influencing this "not random" process, one had to explain why on earth it always happens with a probability of exactly 1/2.
But that's not all. There is more. Say you prepare the electron again, not with pi/2 radians but in any position and make the same measure. What happens? Does it emit a quantum? Sometimes yes, sometimes no, but always with a certain probability, say this time with probability 1/5. Why can we always predict this probability if this is just a matter of factors that we are not aware of and cannot control. Why would the electron never emit a quantum if I prepared the electron up and measure it up. Why would the electron always emit a quantum if I prepared the electron down and measure it up? Why doesn't these outer "factors" influence the outcome then? And why can we always predict the probability before we start, if there are just some outer factors that makes us "believe" it is random when it is not? It doesn't matter if I use the same electron again and again or if I look at different electrons (on the other side of the earth) when I measure, it will always emit a quantum with a predictable probability. So hence each measurement doesn't influence the next measurements, so that can not be one of the "factors" influencing the outcomes.
This is obviously probabilistic, which classical physics is not.
I think I just gave enough evidence for randomness.
Quote:This is exactly the same as the "flipping the coin" illustration. After you can see the cause of the coins movements you can predict the outcome.
No preparing an electron in a position is not the same as coin flipping. And as I said before, the probability is a continuous function on the position of the vector. The electron has two states, but emits a quantum with a controlled probability. Einstein also agreed to this.
Quote:Are you aware of the physicists tests on turning energy into mass?
I have studied relativity theory, so let's talk about it if you want.
Quote:Any changes to DNA has a cause. You can't see it! So why do you want to contribute it to mystical causes?
DNA changes doesn't exist. That is a stupid belief by people who denies God. I said changes could happen in DNA, like in with the twins, but I never said they were random. Life is different, and it isn't my fault that some people believe evolution and denies God. I am not ashamed to say that I think there is some more behind the universe, and I am not afraid to say that I believe in random things, because I think we have free will.
One question at the end. Do you know LaTex code so that I can start a thread on debunking evolution with information theory in another thread? I have no idea how to do it without LaTex, but I guess you know it? Or is that a problem? You have any thoughts on the problems with information in DNA and evolution?
This shows that true randomness do exist.
Apparent random also exist. There exist random generators, and with an initial seed, the generator will produce a pseudorandom sequence. I can prove that too. Give me a string consisting of the alphabet, that is 20 characters long, and predict my string. I have already written my string down, so in theory you could know about the string.
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