GoodScienceForYou? I am a little bit disappointed, I have to admit that. I thought we shared something in common regarding evolution theory, but I am quite frankly a little confused at the moment.
GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 27th, 2009 at 2:59pm:1/ Absolute evidence exists all the time.
No, GoodScienceForYou. I thought you were into physics, and you should know that this is not true.
Quote:5/ Environment and events in society take away this ability to "see" what is obvious and real.
But this makes no sense, GoodScienceForYou, because the environment and events in societies are real things. They happen. They are.
Quote:7/ Teach children in "science classes" that empirical evidence is not needed for belief, that "theory" is the highest truth that can be found in 'science'.
But science rests on empirical evidence. But that is not absolute proof. Theory IS the highest truth in science. Number Theory has been proven. Relativity Theory has empirical evidence. You say you are a scientist into physics? This really disappoints me, because I thought you knew better.
Quote:10/ Absolute evidence is obvious, clear, needs no interpretation by any screwed up believer, it stand on its own and does not require indoctrination to understand it.
Absolute evidence needs no interpretation, I agree. But absolute evidence (proof) can be VERY difficult to understand. If you're into mathematics, then you have probably seen Wiles proof. Explain to me the basic idea in that proof and then tell me it isn't difficult to understand. My IQ is above 196 (was tested in Switzerland twice), and Wiles proof is still a huge challenge.
Quote:1/Turn on a light in your house. It goes on and operates the same trillions of times across the entire planet and is observed by billions of people to be true.
This is absolute evidence of the science of electricity and light bulbs. It is "obvious and irrefutable".
This isn't proof of anything. You of all should have realized that. This isn't proof of Ampère's Circuital Law. Of course it isn't! We used electricity long before we knew what it was. If this is your idea of absolute evidence, then Evolution is indeed true. But you and I are still not convinced about Evolution Theory.
Quote:2/ Two atomic bombs were let off over Japan, killing and maiming many hundreds of thousands of people. This "experiment" was successful at proving beyoind alldoubts the destructive power contained in atoms. Obvious and irrefutable.
But that is not evidence of e=mc
2. The theory doesn't say "atoms have destructive power". That is not a scientific statement.
Quote:3/ Take a match and hold it to the bottom of your bare foot for at least a minute. You will notice that you have second and third degree burns from it. This is obvious and irrefutable evidence of what happens when you burn human skin.
Again; that is not a scientific statement!
Quote:4/ Take anything in your house and drop it on the floor. Obvious and irrefutable evidence of the law of gravity. It has always been a law of science and is used in physics all the time and never changes its operation here on earth.
NO! Please listen, and stop disappointing me, because it makes me think if I got the theory of evolution all wrong. This is NOT a proof of the theory of gravity at all. The theory doesn't state that "things fall down". This is NOT proof that the force F is m*9.81... That is what the theory says. Furthermore, Newton was not quite correct and a new and better theory came with Einstein. Newton had evidence that his equations were correct, but they still needed to be adjusted.
Quote:5/ Mass and momentum are laws of physics. Using mass and momentum calculation you can determine the impact in foot pounds per square inch of any matter when propelled into another matter. This is obvious and irrefutable.
Matter and momentum are NOT laws of physics. Equations involving mass and momentum are. Yes, you can perform tests and measure results. But they are NOT proofs, they are tests for which results can be off by some predictable error. Hence they are not proofs, but empirical evidence.
Quote:6/ Take a magnet and pass it across a wire with an electric meter on the ends of the wire and you will see voltage induced by the magnet. This is obvious and irrefutable.
This is as circular as it gets. Can you not see that? You want to prove some scientific laws using a voltage meter that uses the laws we want to prove???
Quote:Now you start making your list. If you don't know what real evidence is from this list, then you need to contemplate it over and over, until it becomes obvious to you and you start to get back your ability to understand what truth is.
Nothing in the list is absolute evidence or proof. It is not even evidence. They don't even contain any scientific statements.
Quote:In Evodelusionism they use images and fantasy to build on.the Evodelusionist, is allowed determine what a fossil is.
Only Evodelusionists are allowed to do this, by the way. That means they are using brainwashed, pseudo scientists to make up the "tree of life" to fit the damn belief.
My take on evolution is that they do not have enough evidence, and that information theory is not properly considered. You are not attacking the right aspects of Evolution. There are better arguments than these.
Quote:You cannot test a friggin religion. There is no "obvious and irrefutable" in it, because it is not science, but is a religion a mythical pagan religion that started many thousands of years ago.
Yes you can test religions and evolution. You can test ALL statements within the universe.