Simianus wrote on Dec 30th, 2009 at 2:26pm:GoodScienceForYou wrote on Dec 30th, 2009 at 1:31pm:metha wrote on Dec 30th, 2009 at 8:00am:Well, under this thread he claims that there exist absolute evidence in natural science, and so I suggested that he give absolute proof that F=ma. You can all ask him a proof of this formula, and give the man a chance.
I have been busy with my business.
Force equals Mass times Acceleration.
In all cases this is true as long as you account for all the conditions in which this formula is used. You cannot take this out of the "conditions" and then say it is not true.
In conditions of even 1/4 the speed of light things start to change. However, if you put that in the formula for the speed at which you are making the science facts for this then
it will always be 100% repeatable under those conditions. That is irrefutable and absolute evidence.Just like when you force particles to hit purified uranium and it breaks the atomic structures into pure energy, is proven beyond all doubt.
If you are not aware that these are laws of physics that always work under the conditions at which they always work the same, then you have been trained out of reason and awareness of science laws.
When Neuton came up with his ideas, he had not allowed for conditions other than which he was testing. If he was alive today, I assure you that he would adjust these laws to fit alternative conditions in which they always work.
Just like the coin toss scientific experiment in which you can predict the results from the instant of the thumb lifting the coin. as long as you account for all the "effects" on the coin.
The human mind is not capable of understanding all the effects on a metal coin at one instant, so they find imperfections and account for that as "random", because of their feeble minds. When you can account for every possible energy, mass, momentum, force, and every subtle force on the experiment, including you standing there and having an effect on the experiment, then you will see what real science is. At any one instant, just in a car engine there are thousands of interactions taking place. Humans would call that random, if they could.
Simply because you do not understand absolutes and are just listening to other weak humans and believing them, is not going to help you to get beyond the limitations they inflict on your mind. The key to creative reason and objective thought is to stop putting human emotional mental garbage beliefs on reality.
You should never believe anyone and keep your mind only accepting things that have absolute evidence.
There is nothing wrong with entertaining thoughts, but if you believe them without ultimate and complete follow through, then you will be limiting your mind.
You're missing the point. It is not an absolute only because it's a scientific law. How can it be when you've already put a caveat on its application? You will never be able to measure for yourself this formula working on every body in the universe at every possible time in history, so you cannot say with 100% certainty that it works 100% of the time. It's all conjecture.
Until you can successfully prove absolutely that absolute evidence exists, your starting premise will always be faulty and the argument circular. This is why most of the arguments here are not relying on that premise, and attacking their arguments by claiming absolutism exists is never going to get anyone anywhere.
And as to the rest, it seems to me that the only argument you'll accept is one that depends on some sort of claim of divine enlightenment, because evidently our foundation of knowledge is nothing more than brainwashing, education is unreliable, and you will always criticise any argument that was not founded on some kind of epiphany of clarity.
I have a feeling you'll probably ignore this post, but I'm a sucker for trying.
If you don't understand that the human mind is the limiting factor on "truth", because they will always place beliefs on it.
The process of learning to be free is to get rid of all that you think is false, then get rid of all that you think is true, and when you remove everything that you know is true, what is left is the truth. Human perceptions are the problem.
(When you get to the level of truth, most people are thought to be insane who have found any level beyond beliefs and human emotional mental garbage. They are also ridiculed, killed etc, historically, for trying to help others to get free.)
When you can perceive billions of interactions at one time, then you will be able to say you know the truth. This can only happen when you reach the source of your mind. The mind is a terrible master, but a good slave.
If something works under any conditions and repeats on this earth then it is a truth. I have never seen the use of physics fail, in my 47 years of playing with it. Have you?
How much proof do you need for the obvious?
When something like evoldelusion never has shown any observable evidence, then you know it is not proven BS.
You cannot falsify BS, because you can't test it.
You cannot falsify Newtons laws of physics, but they never fail anyway.
Falsification is the only premise in science that is utterly false and worthless.
Only when you are talking outside of this physical reality that is caused by energy being matter, and having sustenance as the same within the realms of our perceptions, then you can talk about nonsense of this world.
When you are an outside observer, you see nothing but energy.
If you do not understand that you cannot break the laws of science and call your "religion as a science", then you will be duped into believing things that are religious in nature and have no science at all to back them.
All people understand that there is an absolute truth on some level. If you are not seeking that truth, then you are only seeking to perpetuate your beliefs.
If you have NO beliefs, you would be ultimately sane.
If you break the entire world down into it's bases, all you have is pure energy, with no meaning, and no laws. It is the consciousness that brings this energy into what we perceive from our limited understandings.
That does not mean that you can just make up utter b u l l s h i t that has no meaning and make it real.
Once you are in the physical (energy as matter) then it has to follow order and precision. There is no such thing as chaos in physical reality. There are no magical processes, or mystical creatures, nor is mythology a good idea to teach in schools.
If you want to indoctrinate, then brainwash children at an early age out of their innate BS meter. Force them "emotionally" to conform by rewards and suffering if you don't cave into the f**king beliefs.
How do you know when b u l l s h i t is being taught? When emotional reason force the belief. Children want to trust and believe the people they love. Unfortunately we have a long chain of beliefs and hate as our legacy. Get rid of all beliefs and only go with what is real, and there will be peace on this earth.
As long as you have nazi factions of religious hate, like evodelusionism taught as "science" to alienate children from seeking the truth, then we are f**ked and doomed to self destruction. Even though I know I am on my way out, I can at least share what I know in hopes to help set others free, even if it is one person, of this delusional b u l l s h i t, that is degrading to humanity.
That is the "just" of this.
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